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Oracle will boost MySQL, release Cloud Office suite (Computerworld)

sylware — Wed, 03 Mar 2010 11:11:13 +0000

Time will tell us... for now "it's dead".
What will do Oracle board? Best way to kill it:to do nothing and let it die by itself.

Funny

man_ls — Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:10:14 +0000

the real problem here is that Oracle is proprietary, of course.

It's not the only problem, I think. Lock-in is inevitable when you rely on some piece of equipment and it is not standard. For example, you can rely on a J2EE server but the transition to another will be mostly painless. Same with standard SQL (if standard SQL was used by anyone). But if you use the proprietary extensions of your DB (be it open source or not) then it will be very hard to migrate any large software system. So for instance, migrating from MySQL to Oracle or viceversa can be near impossible even if they (now) come from the same vendor.

This situation is quite bad for the customer and the industry in general, but very profitable to the vendor. I had never thought of the implications of having just one provider for everything, but you are right, it sounds scary. In fact it's back to the Apollo workstations of the 80s before Sun started building standard Unix machines. What irony, Sun's history ends just as it started.

Funny

nix — Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:59:24 +0000

It's great! It means that if your supplier wants to change anything all
you can say is 'yes master, can we have some more?' because you can't
migrate off their stuff because you rely on them for these *other* things
as well... the real problem here is that Oracle is proprietary, of course.
You don't get this sort of lockin with PostgreSQL.

Funny

man_ls — Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:03:00 +0000

So the "full software stack" strategy is not working for you? Nor the new "full hardware + software stack" strategy? :D

In the proprietary domain

nix — Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:58:25 +0000

Yeah, but it's the thing you've got to work with day to day that you
really hate. My workplace is moving off suns even faster than we already
were, simply because it is not healthy to have one giant supplier that you
get everything from.

In the proprietary domain

man_ls — Sat, 30 Jan 2010 02:27:40 +0000

You are not being fair. Just compare with the proprietary competition (Ingres, SQL Server, DB2) and you will start loving Oracle disproportionately.

Oracle will boost MySQL, release Cloud Office suite (Computerworld)

drag — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:32:39 +0000

Oracle couldn't kill MySQL anymore then I could.

Your talking about one of the most popular and widely used open source
projects of all time. GPL licensed, no less.

Oracle will boost MySQL, release Cloud Office suite (Computerworld)

clugstj — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:48:21 +0000

It's getting hit on the head lessons here.

Unix and the absorption of Sun

tnoo — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:09:16 +0000

Mission accomplished: "the network is the computer"

Oracle will boost MySQL, release Cloud Office suite (Computerworld)

sylware — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:00:57 +0000

It's a personnal choice based on my personnal perception of the issue.
I'm switched on "mysql is dead" and will start behaving on than based basis. I'll keep monitoring oracle about mysql, they may prove me wrong, but since then...

Unix and the absorption of Sun

epa — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:59:08 +0000

Oh noes, now all the Java code using the 'com.sun' namespace will need to be changed!

Oracle will boost MySQL, release Cloud Office suite (Computerworld)

DYN_DaTa — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:16:44 +0000

I don't have to, that's true :).

But i was hoping a real argument instead a rant.

Oracle will boost MySQL, release Cloud Office suite (Computerworld)

pranith — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:54:49 +0000

RIP Sun Microsystems.

Oracle will boost MySQL, release Cloud Office suite (Computerworld)

tzafrir — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:51:37 +0000

Furthermore: why do you have to trust it?

Unix and the absorption of Sun

nix — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:31:01 +0000

Maybe they'll apply the same expertise in user-interface design, robust software testing, and performance optimization to Sun's products that we've seen in the Oracle database.

(oh dear)

(apologies for snark, but not very many)

Oracle will boost MySQL, release Cloud Office suite (Computerworld)

DYN_DaTa — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 09:47:41 +0000

"... as I do not turst oracle board."

Why not?.

Oracle will boost MySQL, release Cloud Office suite (Computerworld)

sylware — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 09:23:16 +0000

mysql is dead as I do not turst oracle board.
Better start looking for SGBDR replacement.

OpenOffice.org

AlexHudson — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:22:36 +0000

The various plans for the office software are somewhat worrying. Although they claim OpenOffice.org will continue as before, it's difficult to see how that can happen if they're using that business unit to develop Oracle Office and the web-based stuff without hiring more developers.

OpenOffice.org badly needs some fresh blood and rejuvenation.

Unix and the absorption of Sun

eparis123 — Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:17:49 +0000

Yes, http://www.sun.com/ is gone. The end of an era.

Sun technologically advanced Unix to new levels in that era (memory management, security, file systems, etc). Let's see what's going to happen in the current new era from a Unix perspective (if any).

Oracle will boost MySQL, release Cloud Office suite (Computerworld)

nix — Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:53:41 +0000

Yes, http://www.sun.com/ is gone. The end of an era.

Oracle will boost MySQL, release Cloud Office suite (Computerworld)

ofirm — Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:12:53 +0000

For those interested, the webcast replay (19 minutes) and the presentation are located here:
http://www.oracle.com/us/sun/044498.html