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Thesis on openSUSE Published

niner — Fri, 30 May 2008 07:10:14 +0000

That was already the same on openSUSE 10.3 and guess what? Apart from that name in 
the menu you hardly even notice. The programs work just like they should. And yes, the 
games look better. I have seen quite some newbies and Kubuntu-users being amazed at 
how polished and functional this desktop is.

So what is your real problem with some KDE 4 programs being shipped on a KDE 3 
desktop?

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petegn — Thu, 29 May 2008 18:45:14 +0000

Hummmmmmmmm   have you tried installing just KDE 3.5.X you cant do it there are parts of KDE4
it insists on installing just look thru the KDE 3.X menu after install you will see
xxxblahbalh(KDE4)  and i am not willing to put up with that if i say KDE 3.X. then i want
absolutley NO KDE 4 at all I have said all this on the Suse lists plus more and am sick of the
condesending attitude of some of the replies from staffers at that .

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apokryphos — Thu, 29 May 2008 17:09:04 +0000

It's curious that you would decide to not use a distribution because it contains something
that you disagree with, but that you wouldn't use, is it not? I mean, I don't like Xfce much,
but that hardly means I'd want to stop using openSUSE because they ship it.

If you want KDE 3.5.x, then openSUSE still ships the most polished, most stable, and most
mature version of it, with guaranteed immediate updates whenever the latest stable version of
that is available. It is also just as easily installable as KDE 4 is from the DVD. 

As you said, some people love and want to use only KDE 4, and some do not -- again, it's great
that openSUSE gives users that choice.

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petegn — Thu, 29 May 2008 16:02:23 +0000

Well you will loose users have no fear   KDE4 is NOT ready for anything other than extended
Beta testing at best it should NOT feature in a release  untill it can at minimum match KDE
3.5.9 for useability and available programs .

At the end of the day we all have our own views on this i am one of a small but growing number
of people that have seen KDE 4 is no way suitable for a release as yet .

I have as a result chosen another distro that does not use KDE 4 yet and when it does it will
be READY FOR GENERAL USE it is NOT at the moment and will not be by the release date for
Opensuse 11.0 and even that is still not ready for classification as a full release maybe
after a few more runs as beta it may get there .

You love KDE 4 i think it sucks big time  Se Lavie

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apokryphos — Thu, 29 May 2008 09:29:08 +0000

Sorry, I don't think you have any idea of what's going on at openSUSE if you think there are
some high above non-community people forcing KDE4 for anyone. It was a decision made by the
openSUSE KDE team, all of who are KDE developers themselves; no conspiracy waiting for you
here. 

KDE 3 is still fully supported, and it's a desktop option for people during installation time
(using the DVD), just like KDE4 is too; so I'm not sure exactly what you're really complaining
about. 

There is anything but a consensus in the community that KDE4 should not be shipped --
actually, it's the exact opposite: most people agree that it needs to be done (including
myself).

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petegn — Wed, 28 May 2008 22:28:11 +0000

The major problem with this system right now is that Opensuse is SUPPOSED to be a Community
thing but the input that is ever taken notice of is that from within the suse internal team 

Example   no way on this planet is KDE4 ready for use in a Distro  but certain people within
suse are hell bent on forcing KDE4 on people and whats more failing to mark it as at best beta
quality software that has almost NO management tools that actually work the new Dolphin system
crashes continually  and is sp crippled it is un able to do simple things like Drag&Drop  in
fact anything that Konqueror takes in its stride  when told of this all you get is outright
sarcasm from certain people within  there are a lot of other issues as well the Opensuse
release cycle is too fast more time needs to be spent in early Alpha stages to eliminate  more
bugs from the eventual release which would make the final release a better prospect for all
especially the first timers that at the moment are going to take one look at Opensuse 11.0 and
say if that is Linux i want nothing to do with it .
I now no longer install suse on my machines and have switched to Bluewhite 64 Linux until suse
gets it's self sorted out