Positive vibes

Posted Sep 24, 2024 16:59 UTC (Tue) by Sesse (subscriber, #53779)
Parent article: Committing to Rust in the kernel

Is it just me, or does this mood sound much more cooperative than just a few weeks ago?

Positive vibes

Posted Sep 24, 2024 21:22 UTC (Tue) by rywang014 (subscriber, #167182) [Link] (5 responses)

Yes. I feel the whole fiasco is about "when C breaks Rust, who is responsive to fix". C people stated hard "Rust people are gonna fix them" and in this article we got a nod on this decision. So people can move forward with code.

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Posted Sep 25, 2024 8:40 UTC (Wed) by pbonzini (subscriber, #60935) [Link] (4 responses)

At the same time there's also more willingness to collaborate than what transpired from the infamous "you're not going to make us learn Rust" quote.

Positive vibes

Posted Sep 25, 2024 12:05 UTC (Wed) by pizza (subscriber, #46) [Link] (3 responses)

> At the same time there's also more willingness to collaborate than what transpired from the infamous "you're not going to make us learn Rust" quote.

FWIW, sampling two points from from a locally-noisy source does not make for good generalizations.

Positive vibes

Posted Sep 25, 2024 12:16 UTC (Wed) by Wol (subscriber, #4433) [Link]

The problem is, the squeaky wheel gets all the oil.

Cheers,
Wol

Positive vibes

Posted Sep 26, 2024 19:29 UTC (Thu) by pbonzini (subscriber, #60935) [Link] (1 responses)

Well, if Ted went from expressing frustration to:

> There is a need for documentation and tutorials on how to write filesystem code in idiomatic Rust. He said that he has a lot to learn; he is willing to do that, but needs help on what to learn.

Then it's a lot more than just "two data points".

Positive vibes

Posted Sep 26, 2024 20:06 UTC (Thu) by Wol (subscriber, #4433) [Link]

> > There is a need for documentation and tutorials on how to write filesystem code in idiomatic Rust.

I'm pleased to see he wrote "documentation AND TUTORIALS".

Never forget, without tutorials, documentation is usually written in double dutch ... (says he who's just been reading a load of documentation and wondering what the hell it's going on about ...)

Cheers,
Wol

Positive vibes

Posted Oct 1, 2024 22:04 UTC (Tue) by dmv (subscriber, #168800) [Link]

Makes me wonder how many behind-the-scenes conversations were had to arrive at the positivity.

As an onlooker, the basic idea that the kernel is developed out in the open is an attractive notion, but it’d be really interesting to have the curtains pulled back a bit to see how much actually is somewhat behind-closed-doors/out of the public eye. I would assume some of it would have to be. Given that companies have kernel developers on staff, some of that stuff is gonna be company-internal, of course. But I’m interested less in that part of it. The kernel development project is its own massive social experiment of sorts. Surely human-sensitive things are easier to manage out of the public eye. What else?