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Posted Jun 24, 2023 5:40 UTC (Sat) by Subsentient (guest, #142918)
Parent article: Kuhn: A Comprehensive Analysis of the GPL Issues With the Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) Business Model

Sue them.

It needs to happen. Punish them for doing this to free software.
It's time to stop letting GPL violations slide. It's time to enforce the GPL.

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Posted Jun 24, 2023 12:41 UTC (Sat) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link]

> It needs to happen. Punish them for doing this to free software.

I actually hope that this will happen. And support it not with two but with three hands.

> It's time to stop letting GPL violations slide. It's time to enforce the GPL.

Yup. It would kill GNU/Linux, more or less. Industry already have all ingredients needed to create replacement. They are just less popular than GNU ones. But if GPL would be banned… I don't think it'll take too much time to patch over the problem.

The only question is if they would stick with Linux after Linus reassurances that GPL-as-excercised-by-Linux is not to be interpreted like that or if they would go with some other kernel. Fuchsia? seL4? We'll see, I guess, there are many options, actually.

GNU was pretty advanced thing for it's time. But I think it's time for it to go. And the best, fast and guaranteed way to achieve that is to sure RedHat.

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Posted Jun 24, 2023 13:26 UTC (Sat) by mmcgrath (guest, #44906) [Link]

> Sue them

For what though? Every line of code in RHEL is on CentOS Stream in the public (which is above and beyond what the GPL requires). Stream is different from Fedora and all the pundits, rebuilders whoever just need to go look and they can find it there.

Like it or not, the original blog post is accurate and everyone is greatly confused by what CentOS Stream is because they never bothered to go look.

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Posted Jun 24, 2023 14:46 UTC (Sat) by pbonzini (subscriber, #60935) [Link] (2 responses)

You're missing that:

1) this is not just Red Hat's idea, I even found an article from 2006 (https://lwn.net/Articles/178550/) where the FSF said they were fine with this

2) this is not a new idea either, all the extended-update minor releases of RHEL were never available in CentOS. CentOS only ever had the first 6 months of updates after which it rolled to the next RHEL minor release.

So if nobody has thought that this was a GPL violation until now, why would they start now?

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Posted Jun 24, 2023 18:27 UTC (Sat) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link] (1 responses)

> 1) this is not just Red Hat's idea, I even found an article from 2006 (https://lwn.net/Articles/178550/) where the FSF said they were fine with this

It kinda is is RedHat's idea. Or, rather, it's Cygnus idea. Only initially it was applied to GCC and autotools. And later RedHat bought Cygnus and used it to make RHEL. But that idea was invented years before Linus published it's infamous letter and years before RedHat was created.

And FSF couldn't, really, say that it was Ok for 30+ years and now, suddenly, it's bad, bad, bad, not allowed.

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Posted Jun 25, 2023 3:52 UTC (Sun) by NYKevin (subscriber, #129325) [Link]

> And FSF couldn't, really, say that it was Ok for 30+ years and now, suddenly, it's bad, bad, bad, not allowed.

Well, probably* not for GCC or any GNU code, but they could support a lawsuit by anyone else whose code is in RHEL. But first you'd have to convince that person that there is a violation worth pursuing, and having read Kuhn's article, I don't think they have a terribly strong case. Maybe they'd win, but personally, I would not want to get involved in a lawsuit with this many question marks.

* There is likely some theory of estoppel that bars such a claim, at least in common law jurisdictions. You can't tell someone "oh, yeah, you can use my software like that, the license I gave you allows it," and then change your interpretation of the license after they have done so.