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DeVault: Announcing the Hare programming language

DeVault: Announcing the Hare programming language

Posted May 2, 2022 9:59 UTC (Mon) by mjg59 (subscriber, #23239)
In reply to: DeVault: Announcing the Hare programming language by ddevault
Parent article: DeVault: Announcing the Hare programming language

Look it feels pretty obvious that shipping a crypto library that falls back to being insecure without any indication to the app in question is not a good design and I am extremely confused why you're being defensive about this rather than talking about ways you could add assertions that apps could opt out of or something along those lines


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DeVault: Announcing the Hare programming language

Posted May 2, 2022 18:12 UTC (Mon) by bluss (guest, #47454) [Link] (2 responses)

It's literally the guy's hobby language, why go at him as if this is some twitter thread? I'm here for the hacking spirit and enjoying a good home-grown work, with faults and all.

DeVault: Announcing the Hare programming language

Posted May 2, 2022 19:00 UTC (Mon) by Natanael_L (guest, #158286) [Link]

The problem with doing that in the security field is that people who know less about security than the person who wrote the code will absolutely use it insecurely and never realize it, because most security failures are silent failures.

If you're doing it as a hobby, it should be your obligation to advertise it as NOT being secure enough for deployment for anything handling sensitive information.

DeVault: Announcing the Hare programming language

Posted May 4, 2022 15:46 UTC (Wed) by Ashton (guest, #158330) [Link]

I’ve always disliked this interpretation of how language creators and other programmers interact. Yes, Drew made this language on his own as a “hobby” (although I think this drastically understated how hard it is to make a language work well), but he’s also trying to convince us to use it. Unless if Drew is happy with only his projects using Hare, which I doubt is the case, how regular programmers will interact with the language and the standard lib matters a lot.


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