Clouds and VPSes [LWN.net]

Clouds and VPSes

Posted Apr 21, 2022 10:30 UTC (Thu) by leoluk (guest, #97665)
In reply to: Clouds and VPSes by johannbg
Parent article: Fedora considers deprecating legacy BIOS

As long as distros keep supporting legacy boot, cloud providers have little incentive to switch to EFI boot.

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Posted Apr 21, 2022 10:41 UTC (Thu) by johannbg (guest, #65743) [Link] (6 responses)

Right because people are like water, they always take the shortest route.

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Posted Apr 21, 2022 12:23 UTC (Thu) by dullfire (guest, #111432) [Link] (5 responses)

> Right because people are like water, they always take the shortest route.

I would suggest looking at some maps with rivers on them.

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Posted Apr 21, 2022 13:41 UTC (Thu) by smoogen (subscriber, #97) [Link] (4 responses)

There is a common language translation where a phrase gets switched by one or two words and looks the same to the non-native speaker. If we go with 'people like water always take the easiest route', does that make the original phrase better for you?

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Posted Apr 21, 2022 14:34 UTC (Thu) by Wol (subscriber, #4433) [Link]

Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana ...

Cheers,
Wol

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Posted Apr 21, 2022 16:08 UTC (Thu) by rgmoore (✭ supporter ✭, #75) [Link] (2 responses)

The criticism isn't of the wording, it's of the content. Water frequently does not take the shortest route, as you can determine by looking at a map. Instead, rivers meander all over the place. A river can even erode through the soil into the underlying rock, causing its old meandering path to be literally set in stone.

There may be some truth to the idea of people behaving like water, but it has more to do with their path being heavily determined by history. Both will usually take an established route even when it is long and convoluted. It's only the occasional dramatic event that causes rivers- or people- to change their course.

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Posted Apr 21, 2022 16:16 UTC (Thu) by sfeam (subscriber, #2841) [Link]

People are like water: both will stagnate in a local minimum rather than finding the energy to overcome a barrier that constrains them.

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Posted Apr 21, 2022 17:38 UTC (Thu) by johannbg (guest, #65743) [Link]

I propably should have said people are like water, they always take the path of least resistance.

Those that are bothered by the inaccuracy of that can replaces "least resistant" with the "distribution of flow that will lead to the least "total" resistance" but most people should have gotten the gist of what I meant.

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Posted Apr 21, 2022 13:42 UTC (Thu) by rwmj (subscriber, #5474) [Link] (2 responses)

If every distro switched this might be the case, but it's unlikely if only Fedora does it. However big things which might make this happen would be Windows 11 and RHEL 10, although one is not very relevant on cloud and the other is some years in the future.

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Posted Apr 21, 2022 18:18 UTC (Thu) by johannbg (guest, #65743) [Link] (1 responses)

Well it all starts with one distribution taking the lead, usually it's Arch these days but Fedora is better positioned to take the lead for this particular change.

That said why should UEFI miracles start happening when RHEL 10 get's released?

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Posted Apr 22, 2022 0:52 UTC (Fri) by bartoc (guest, #124262) [Link]

One could argue that arch supports neither firmware standard, since they don't have an installer. At best they just package bootloaders.