Rust lacunae [LWN.net]

Rust lacunae

Posted Jun 12, 2021 10:19 UTC (Sat) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946)
In reply to: Rust lacunae by ncm
Parent article: Rewriting the GNU Coreutils in Rust

> "Significant" is what is being challenged. There has been exactly zero evidence of any significance. Every big company fools with anything you can think of, from Forth to Haskell

Calling all the existing adoption and momentum from several major players as zero evidence or fooling around is pretty dismissive. This isn't remotely comparable to Forth or Haskell. We are talking about code in production from Mozilla, npm, discord, dropbox, cloudfare and so on. I can't think of any other language comparable to C or C++ that has gotten this level of traction in this timeframe. Feel free to continue overlooking this and we will find out even more conclusively in a few years.

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Rust lacunae

Posted Jun 13, 2021 18:47 UTC (Sun) by ncm (guest, #165) [Link] (4 responses)

Which part of "In the meantime, it is not honest to assume it" are you confused about?

Rust lacunae

Posted Jun 13, 2021 19:11 UTC (Sun) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link] (3 responses)

> Which part of "In the meantime, it is not honest to assume it" are you confused about?

I just don't agree with your opinion. There is no confusion around that.

Rust lacunae

Posted Jun 13, 2021 20:07 UTC (Sun) by ncm (guest, #165) [Link] (2 responses)

Just so we are clear, you are assuming despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary that the amount of Rust usage at Google, relative the scale of its operations, is significant, and furthermore think it is honest to present such a tale.

Your relationship with truth is duly noted. I will not need any further information.

Rust lacunae

Posted Jun 13, 2021 20:14 UTC (Sun) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]

> Just so we are clear, you are assuming despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary that the amount of Rust usage at Google, relative the scale of its operations, is significant, and furthermore think it is honest to present such a tale.

That's not accurate. My comments weren't limited to Google.

Rust lacunae

Posted Jun 13, 2021 20:36 UTC (Sun) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

ncm: as a relatively unbiased observer (liking both C++ and Rust)... your arguments are not covering you with glory here. Rust is seeing *substantial* usage -- yes, it's not more usage than the entire installed base of C++, but expecting anything of the kind is utterly ridiculous: the language is younger and hasn't had massive adoption for its entire lifetime (of course it hasn't), so its effective lifetime in terms of large-scale usage is shorter than that. But it definitely *is* seeing large-scale usage. Not higher usage than C++, no, not yet -- but ask which language is growing faster, and which language new projects are being written in, and I'd be astonished if you answered C++.