Python cryptography, Rust, and Gentoo
Python cryptography, Rust, and Gentoo
Posted Feb 12, 2021 17:38 UTC (Fri) by khim (subscriber, #9252)In reply to: Python cryptography, Rust, and Gentoo by Wol
Parent article: Python cryptography, Rust, and Gentoo
> And however much you want to blame the programmer, if programmers keep on doing it, it's a design fault ...
Got it. So we have issues with C which even Rust doesn't fully address:
— if you put check outside of loop the it would't test all elements of array.
— if you initialize your variable after it's used then program doesn't work.
— if you change the variable then other variables (which were calculated on basis on that variable) don't change as they should.
— you need to actually allocate memory for your data structure, just declaring pointer doesn't mean you can use these.
And I can probably add dozens more.
</sarcasm off>.
Granted: these are expectations of people who have started studying programming about two month ago… but they are very-very common.
Should we do something about them? If yes then what… if no, then why the heck no?…
> The point is, it BREAKS THE PROGRAMMER'S MENTAL MODEL.Sure — but pretty much anything can break it if programmer is not taught properly.
The C (and C++) suffer mostly from Hyrum's Law: many thing which were supposed not to work… actually work — with real-world compiler. And then, later… they stop (even if documentation always warned not to use them)… that is when trouble happens (think glibc story).
That's the only problem with C/C++… but it's pretty severe: C language on paper and C language as implemented by typical compiler were different for so long that it's unclear what can be done at this point.
The thing is: I'm not sure switching to Rust (or any other language) would save us. After 10-20-30 years they would be in the same situation, too.
I'm not even really sure what can be done about it. Have just one fixed compiler without any changes? I don't think it would really work.
