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I oppose Chris and Jeff's patch to add an unnecessary additional namespace to ReiserFS

From:  Hans Reiser <reiser-AT-namesys.com>
To:  Chris Mason <mason-AT-suse.com>, Linus Torvalds <torvalds-AT-osdl.org>
Subject:  I oppose Chris and Jeff's patch to add an unnecessary additional namespace to ReiserFS
Date:  Mon, 26 Apr 2004 09:59:26 -0700
Cc:  linux-kernel-AT-vger.kernel.org, reiserfs-list-AT-namesys.com, akpm-AT-osdl.org

Adding additional namespaces is not a trivial thing to do, though it always
seems so minor to the person driven by marketing to quickly hack something
in.

The xattr namespace offers zero functional advantage over the file
namespace.  The use of '.' instead of '/' is idiotic, see the very short
paper "The Hideous Name" by Rob Pike  ( www.cs.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/doc/ )
for why mindlessly varying the separators in hierarchical names throughout
an OS is a bad idea. V4 of ReiserFS accesses all file attributes via the
filesystem namespace (see our mainpage at www.namesys.com, there is a
section on semantics in it).  In V4, attributes are just files with
peculiar qualities, kind of like the files in /proc have peculiar
qualities.  V4 adds some additional functionality to the filesystem
namespace to make this more effective (accessing multiple files in one
system call, etc.). Namespaces are the roads and waterways of an operating
system.  The cost of developing an operating system is proportional to how
many components you build into it.  Namespaces are part of what determines
whether that cost is linear with the number of components, or something
worse. The expressive power of an operating system is NOT proportional to
the number of components, but instead is proportional to the number of
possible connections between its components.  If you fragment the
namespaces of an OS, you reduce each component to effective interactions
with only those components in its reduced size namespace.  Designing the
namespaces of an OS so that they possess closure and are unified may seem
like a lot of effort, but it is very cost effective compared to building
many times more other OS components to get the same expressive power.

In the free software community you have to produce working code to be paid
attention to.  We are doing that.  Chris is sending his patch in at this
time in part because V4 is about to make his work completely obsolete.  At
the time he started to write the patch he was told that ReiserFS was taking
this other approach, and his patch would never be accepted so he should not
write it.  DARPA was then convinced to fund us to do the other approach,
and we accepted $600k in funding to (among other things) extend the
filesystem namespace to access security attributes effectively.  I have no
desire to change direction at the last moment before we ship V4 so as to
become less elegant.  I also view V3 as stable code that should not be
disturbed more than minimally necessary, and I desire for all new
functionality to go into V4 (Chris was also told that before his patch was
written).

Making it possible to unify operating system namespaces was why ReiserFS
was created.  I am not in this for the money.  Pasting in an additional
namespace beyond what Unix had for short term marketing reasons violates
its soul, and I have no desire to provide support for it as it complicates
one feature at a time over 30 years.

Please, let our competing solution of more unified naming have this
ecological niche it can survive in long enough to see if it is the right
longterm direction for Linux.  It is more work to be elegant, and it will
cause application writers some short term pain, but in 30 years you will
not regret trying it.

Please reject the xattr and acl patch for ReiserFS V3, and wait a week or
two for ReiserFS V4 to ship to you instead.

Hans
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