Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.1 released Posted Nov 6, 2019 13:41 UTC (Wed) by BirAdam (guest, #132170) [Link] (6 responses) I was always more of a Slackware guy than a Red Hat guy, but I did use Red Hat Linux a few times. I quit using any Red Hat software when they switched to Red Hat Enterprise Linux and Fedora as their offerings. The price went up quite a bit, and I could still just use Slackware. I was never too impressed with things going in RHEL land, but I used the new CentOS release and was rather shocked at how much RHEL did to make SysAdmins and DevOps folks happier. It's really quite nice. There were some bugs that were a bit glaring but overall it was a solid release. I still think that their systems are overpriced for what's on offer, but I could see ordering RHEL for a large corporation (which is their actual target anyway). For me, I will stick to CentOS (once the repos are built out), and Slackware. I love my stability but I absolutely won't pay IBM $179 for access to documentation and forums, or $299 for support I won't use. Unfortunately, there isn't much incentive for Red Hat/IBM to cater to professionals running low numbers of machines, as most will simply use Fedora, CentOS, Debian, or Ubuntu. Anyway, they did some good work here with 8, and 8.1. 8.1 Big Things: Switched to FRR over Quagga New SELinux policy tools Version bumps New Ansible tools Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.1 released Posted Nov 6, 2019 13:54 UTC (Wed) by clugstj (subscriber, #4020) [Link] (2 responses) Go to https://developers.redhat.com/ sign up and you get access to the documentation and forums for free. Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.1 released Posted Nov 6, 2019 19:02 UTC (Wed) by sub2LWN (subscriber, #134200) [Link] (1 responses) Not OP, but thanks. It's annoying when redhat "solutions" show up in search results and the body of the article is truncated for customers or partners only. The "access.redhat.com" area (where those KB articles are) requires more contact info: name, address, phone, etc. but afterward the material is available with a developer account. The developer agreements also prohibit using the developer access to provide, complement, or supplement any "third party support" activities. But it seems OK (IANAL) for personal / development use. There are also seemingly DRM-free ebooks and other PDFs in the developer area. Otherwise, as OP says, there are CentOS, Fedora, or other communities which don't have pay/PII-walls. Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.1 released Posted Nov 7, 2019 15:56 UTC (Thu) by SEJeff (guest, #51588) [Link] CentOS is also managed and funded entirely by Redhat. I don't think they mind which you use. If you're a small shop, CentOS is perfectly acceptable, but the support is on you. If you want a "throat to choke" or more detailed support, pay for RHEL. Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.1 released Posted Dec 3, 2019 12:46 UTC (Tue) by cortana (subscriber, #24596) [Link] (2 responses) For me the huge problem with CentOS is that all security updates stop while the next RHEL point release is being build. Hope you don't have any CentOS 8 boxes on the internet... Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.1 released Posted Dec 3, 2019 13:58 UTC (Tue) by farnz (subscriber, #17727) [Link] (1 responses) Does that still happen with CentOS Stream? It's supposed to have updates coming in just ahead of where the matching RHEL version is right now, so will be kept up to date, as compared to the old point release + security fixes mechanism. Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.1 released Posted Dec 8, 2019 13:17 UTC (Sun) by cortana (subscriber, #24596) [Link] As far as I can tell, yes. For instance, take RHSA-2019:4111 (dated December 5th). For "Red Hat Enterprise Linux for x86_64 8" this the fixed firefox package is version 68.3.0-1.el8_1; but CentOS Stream still only has 68.2.0-2.el8_0.
Posted Nov 6, 2019 13:41 UTC (Wed) by BirAdam (guest, #132170) [Link] (6 responses)
I was never too impressed with things going in RHEL land, but I used the new CentOS release and was rather shocked at how much RHEL did to make SysAdmins and DevOps folks happier. It's really quite nice. There were some bugs that were a bit glaring but overall it was a solid release.
I still think that their systems are overpriced for what's on offer, but I could see ordering RHEL for a large corporation (which is their actual target anyway). For me, I will stick to CentOS (once the repos are built out), and Slackware. I love my stability but I absolutely won't pay IBM $179 for access to documentation and forums, or $299 for support I won't use.
Unfortunately, there isn't much incentive for Red Hat/IBM to cater to professionals running low numbers of machines, as most will simply use Fedora, CentOS, Debian, or Ubuntu.
Anyway, they did some good work here with 8, and 8.1.
8.1 Big Things: Switched to FRR over Quagga New SELinux policy tools Version bumps New Ansible tools
Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.1 released Posted Nov 6, 2019 13:54 UTC (Wed) by clugstj (subscriber, #4020) [Link] (2 responses) Go to https://developers.redhat.com/ sign up and you get access to the documentation and forums for free. Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.1 released Posted Nov 6, 2019 19:02 UTC (Wed) by sub2LWN (subscriber, #134200) [Link] (1 responses) Not OP, but thanks. It's annoying when redhat "solutions" show up in search results and the body of the article is truncated for customers or partners only. The "access.redhat.com" area (where those KB articles are) requires more contact info: name, address, phone, etc. but afterward the material is available with a developer account. The developer agreements also prohibit using the developer access to provide, complement, or supplement any "third party support" activities. But it seems OK (IANAL) for personal / development use. There are also seemingly DRM-free ebooks and other PDFs in the developer area. Otherwise, as OP says, there are CentOS, Fedora, or other communities which don't have pay/PII-walls. Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.1 released Posted Nov 7, 2019 15:56 UTC (Thu) by SEJeff (guest, #51588) [Link] CentOS is also managed and funded entirely by Redhat. I don't think they mind which you use. If you're a small shop, CentOS is perfectly acceptable, but the support is on you. If you want a "throat to choke" or more detailed support, pay for RHEL. Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.1 released Posted Dec 3, 2019 12:46 UTC (Tue) by cortana (subscriber, #24596) [Link] (2 responses) For me the huge problem with CentOS is that all security updates stop while the next RHEL point release is being build. Hope you don't have any CentOS 8 boxes on the internet... Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.1 released Posted Dec 3, 2019 13:58 UTC (Tue) by farnz (subscriber, #17727) [Link] (1 responses) Does that still happen with CentOS Stream? It's supposed to have updates coming in just ahead of where the matching RHEL version is right now, so will be kept up to date, as compared to the old point release + security fixes mechanism. Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.1 released Posted Dec 8, 2019 13:17 UTC (Sun) by cortana (subscriber, #24596) [Link] As far as I can tell, yes. For instance, take RHSA-2019:4111 (dated December 5th). For "Red Hat Enterprise Linux for x86_64 8" this the fixed firefox package is version 68.3.0-1.el8_1; but CentOS Stream still only has 68.2.0-2.el8_0.
Posted Nov 6, 2019 13:54 UTC (Wed) by clugstj (subscriber, #4020) [Link] (2 responses)
Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.1 released Posted Nov 6, 2019 19:02 UTC (Wed) by sub2LWN (subscriber, #134200) [Link] (1 responses) Not OP, but thanks. It's annoying when redhat "solutions" show up in search results and the body of the article is truncated for customers or partners only. The "access.redhat.com" area (where those KB articles are) requires more contact info: name, address, phone, etc. but afterward the material is available with a developer account. The developer agreements also prohibit using the developer access to provide, complement, or supplement any "third party support" activities. But it seems OK (IANAL) for personal / development use. There are also seemingly DRM-free ebooks and other PDFs in the developer area. Otherwise, as OP says, there are CentOS, Fedora, or other communities which don't have pay/PII-walls. Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.1 released Posted Nov 7, 2019 15:56 UTC (Thu) by SEJeff (guest, #51588) [Link] CentOS is also managed and funded entirely by Redhat. I don't think they mind which you use. If you're a small shop, CentOS is perfectly acceptable, but the support is on you. If you want a "throat to choke" or more detailed support, pay for RHEL.
Posted Nov 6, 2019 19:02 UTC (Wed) by sub2LWN (subscriber, #134200) [Link] (1 responses)
The developer agreements also prohibit using the developer access to provide, complement, or supplement any "third party support" activities. But it seems OK (IANAL) for personal / development use. There are also seemingly DRM-free ebooks and other PDFs in the developer area.
Otherwise, as OP says, there are CentOS, Fedora, or other communities which don't have pay/PII-walls.
Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.1 released Posted Nov 7, 2019 15:56 UTC (Thu) by SEJeff (guest, #51588) [Link] CentOS is also managed and funded entirely by Redhat. I don't think they mind which you use. If you're a small shop, CentOS is perfectly acceptable, but the support is on you. If you want a "throat to choke" or more detailed support, pay for RHEL.
Posted Nov 7, 2019 15:56 UTC (Thu) by SEJeff (guest, #51588) [Link]
Posted Dec 3, 2019 12:46 UTC (Tue) by cortana (subscriber, #24596) [Link] (2 responses)
Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.1 released Posted Dec 3, 2019 13:58 UTC (Tue) by farnz (subscriber, #17727) [Link] (1 responses) Does that still happen with CentOS Stream? It's supposed to have updates coming in just ahead of where the matching RHEL version is right now, so will be kept up to date, as compared to the old point release + security fixes mechanism. Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.1 released Posted Dec 8, 2019 13:17 UTC (Sun) by cortana (subscriber, #24596) [Link] As far as I can tell, yes. For instance, take RHSA-2019:4111 (dated December 5th). For "Red Hat Enterprise Linux for x86_64 8" this the fixed firefox package is version 68.3.0-1.el8_1; but CentOS Stream still only has 68.2.0-2.el8_0.
Posted Dec 3, 2019 13:58 UTC (Tue) by farnz (subscriber, #17727) [Link] (1 responses)
Does that still happen with CentOS Stream? It's supposed to have updates coming in just ahead of where the matching RHEL version is right now, so will be kept up to date, as compared to the old point release + security fixes mechanism.
Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.1 released Posted Dec 8, 2019 13:17 UTC (Sun) by cortana (subscriber, #24596) [Link] As far as I can tell, yes. For instance, take RHSA-2019:4111 (dated December 5th). For "Red Hat Enterprise Linux for x86_64 8" this the fixed firefox package is version 68.3.0-1.el8_1; but CentOS Stream still only has 68.2.0-2.el8_0.
Posted Dec 8, 2019 13:17 UTC (Sun) by cortana (subscriber, #24596) [Link]
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