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The Debian project leader election

The Debian project leader election

Posted Mar 28, 2019 21:29 UTC (Thu) by MTecknology (guest, #57596)
In reply to: The Debian project leader election by fnux
Parent article: The Debian project leader election

His claim of censorship is because his blog was removed from Debian Planet (only spam gets removed from the mailing lists). The post he's referring to seems to exist solely to stir up more trouble on an already hot topic. In order to stir up that trouble, his post makes a lot of accusations that are outright false, such as claiming there was no previous contact with Norbert or that the "mistake" was a one-time occurrence.

His claim that he wasn't considered a "serious candidate" is also interesting because, as mgedmin mentioned, he's not DD and not eligible for DPL. Additionally, he's making an assumption that Lamby's statement was directed toward him—a statement that I believe was clearly directed toward DDs.

A majority of his recent posts center around berating the entire Debian community, using lies and partial facts in order to reinforce his rants. This all carried over rather cleanly to his proposed platform, which just sounds like another long-winded rant. The only points of his with any value are issues that are already being discussed (DPL Team, DAM Review/Oversight, etc.).

One of his rant-points [1] is particularly interesting because his proposed platform and recent blog posts are exactly the sort of "condescending, degrading and generally abusive communications" that he's referring to.

The rest of the candidates that popped up all seem like quality people that would work in the spirit of Debian to keep pushing the project forward. I'm excited to see the election results.

[1] "No more bastardization of volunteers with demotions and other condescending, degrading and generally abusive communications"


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The Debian project leader election

Posted Mar 29, 2019 21:37 UTC (Fri) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link] (3 responses)

"Demotions" is interesting. Is this someone who *was* a DD, but who flounced out in a huff or was even asked to stop for being too disruptive? If so, that sounds *exactly* like the sort of person we don't want as GPL.

The Debian project leader election

Posted Mar 29, 2019 21:37 UTC (Fri) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

Or even DPL. Argh. Bloody finger macros.

The Debian project leader election

Posted Mar 30, 2019 0:01 UTC (Sat) by MTecknology (guest, #57596) [Link] (1 responses)

The whole thing is a mentos/cola-filled can-o-worms, but I'll try to explain it from a no-drama/technical level without sharing too much...

The short version- Norbert (DD) was called out multiple times for violating CoC. After ignoring/arguing with AH enough times, AH recommended their "demotion" by DAM, who agreed and followed-through. Falsified documents were presented to claim AH/DAM acted maliciously, claims were made of no contact/due-process, and lots of drama and accusations began. After a period of time, Norbert issued a formal apology and DD status was restored (in time for elections).

There's obviously a whole lot more to it than this, but it devolves into he-said/she-said, drama, and other crap very quickly. If you search "Norbert Preining" on your favorite search engine, you should be able to find all you can handle in the first page or two of results.

The Debian project leader election

Posted Apr 1, 2019 15:46 UTC (Mon) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

Falsified documents were presented to claim AH/DAM acted maliciously
Hm. Whoever presented those (if it wasn't an anonymous troll) should probably get marked as someone who should never be allowed near a DD position. Do we want code (possibly running as root) on our systems written by people willing to resort to forgery to get that position? I know I wouldn't. (Note: I do not suggest that Norbert was at fault here: it sounds like the sort of thing a troll grepping for CoC flames to fan would do, and my googlejuice is failing me and frankly the search hits are too effing depressing to look through too much, you're quite right there.)

The Debian project leader election

Posted Apr 7, 2019 15:57 UTC (Sun) by jschrod (subscriber, #1646) [Link]

Sorry, but could you please explain why you ascribe your comments about Daniel Pocok's DPL rants to Norbert Preining?

AFAIK, the latter didn't run for DPL, did he?

And, btw, as you recommended to nix in another post, I searched through the first two pages of Google search results. No corresponding hits.

Best,
Joachim


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