Fedora reawakens the hibernation debate [LWN.net]

Fedora reawakens the hibernation debate

Posted Sep 17, 2018 17:35 UTC (Mon) by yuuyuu (guest, #127230)
In reply to: Fedora reawakens the hibernation debate by ncm
Parent article: Fedora reawakens the hibernation debate

GNOME has always been against the spirit of empowering the user anyway, in the real sense. Instead of giving the user tools to compose a workflow that suits them best, and the "features" like these they'd like to turn on or off, they seem to be more focused on imposing a certain workflow, focusing on their brand, a certain way of doing things, in that you need to adapt to the way they envision GNOME to work.

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Fedora reawakens the hibernation debate

Posted Sep 18, 2018 8:48 UTC (Tue) by mjthayer (guest, #39183) [Link] (3 responses)

> GNOME has always been against the spirit of empowering the user anyway, in the real sense. Instead of giving the user tools to compose a workflow that suits them best, and the "features" like these they'd like to turn on or off, they seem to be more focused on imposing a certain workflow, focusing on their brand, a certain way of doing things, in that you need to adapt to the way they envision GNOME to work.

Devil's advocate: someone who can look after themself can easily install what they need to make their system configurable to their heart's content, so they haven't lost much. Someone who cannot is probably better served by a simpler, less configurable system, even if it is not quite optimal for their needs. The standard system is also much better tested, which is a big plus for less capable users. So much the theory, I realise that the practice is probably far away.

I am in neither group: I am a capable user, but I do not want to waste time fiddling with my system or running into strange bugs because I tried out interesting options. I like being able to take a new system and be up and running in a couple of hours, and for that I am willing to adapt to the system rather than adapting it to me. So I am probably one of the small group who appreciates the way GNOME do things.

Fedora reawakens the hibernation debate

Posted Sep 18, 2018 9:45 UTC (Tue) by chris.sykes (guest, #54374) [Link]

I'm in the same camp - but I am starting to question if I might be better off running with the defaults of some other DE...

Stripping out configurability in favour of "sensible defaults" is one thing, but enabling a default behaviour that could result in data loss for their users is quite another. Logs filling with JavaScript stack traces every time I hit Alt-Tab is another motivator.

Fedora reawakens the hibernation debate

Posted Sep 18, 2018 16:13 UTC (Tue) by yuuyuu (guest, #127230) [Link] (1 responses)

To each their own ;-)

Fedora reawakens the hibernation debate

Posted Oct 13, 2018 21:47 UTC (Sat) by ssmith32 (subscriber, #72404) [Link]

Exactly :)

For me, it will even vary depending on the year.

Some years, like this one, I really don't want to be empowered on my desktop - as far as decisions, I have enough to be made elsewhere. I have a little cheat sheet with the gnome tweaks needed for alt-tab, etc, and then I move on.

And, yeah, Apple, because learning a bunch of random finger waving motions that you throw at some little touch pad is intuitive.. but some people love it.

And, on some years, I have installed Enlightenment (remember that?). KDE, I've even had to work in *C*DE (Solaris). I have Cinnamon in some places... Yeah, it varies.

At least we can chose our masters! ;)

Fedora reawakens the hibernation debate

Posted Sep 18, 2018 22:35 UTC (Tue) by sorpigal (subscriber, #36106) [Link]

Not always, only recently (2.x and later). Sawfish was nice and configurable, for example.