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Who controls glibc?

Posted May 7, 2018 20:23 UTC (Mon) by jdulaney (subscriber, #83672)
Parent article: Who controls glibc?

Is anyone surprised? RMS is cool with the FSF firing female employees when they report being harassed. This just continues that.

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Who controls glibc?

Posted May 7, 2018 23:08 UTC (Mon) by jerojasro (guest, #98169) [Link] (2 responses)

I've never seen anything about these firings. Could you refer me to news/blog posts?

(I'm neither attacking nor questioning your statement, just curious about when/how this happened, what was the followup, etc.)

Who controls glibc?

Posted May 8, 2018 2:26 UTC (Tue) by john_zh (guest, #111192) [Link] (1 responses)

I guess it was a drama related to libreboot. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libreboot.

> In September 2016 the lead developer announced that the project would leave the GNU Project and in January 2017, Richard Stallman announced that Libreboot was released from the GNU project. The reason for the dispute was allegations from the lead maintainer that FSF had fired a transgender employee because the employee reported gender harassment. The FSF denied these allegations the same day. In April 2017, the Libreboot project removed the accusations from their website, the lead developer apologised for what happened and control of the website was transferred to another contributor.

Who controls glibc?

Posted May 8, 2018 12:37 UTC (Tue) by deejoe (guest, #66074) [Link]

If that's it, more context:

https://libreboot.org/news/unity.html

Who controls glibc?

Posted May 8, 2018 2:33 UTC (Tue) by geoffbeier (guest, #123670) [Link] (5 responses)

Is there any way you could link to a source for this? I'd be interested in knowing more about it, and a quick search didn't turn up anything reliable that I could see.

(This isn't meant to be combative at all. I'd like to know more and I couldn't find anything.)

Who controls glibc?

Posted May 8, 2018 2:48 UTC (Tue) by jdulaney (subscriber, #83672) [Link] (4 responses)

I'm sorry, I cannot go into detail, just that I know the people involved and what happened.

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Posted May 8, 2018 3:21 UTC (Tue) by Kalenx (subscriber, #120295) [Link] (2 responses)

Then your comment is utterly useless.

I'm not even pro-Stallman here, I find many of his "jokes" offensive and I definitely do not condone his general attitude. But this kind of public statement (yes, a comment here is a public statement, albeit not of great impact for most of them), unsourced, unproved, without any details, and out of context, has zero usefulness. It does however have downsides: it brings no information while messing with the discussion on the topic at hand.

If someone has something to say, then by all means he/she should go for it. I'm not asking for formal/judicial proof here, not even for this person to get out of his/her anonymity, just something better than "I've heard that at an unknown time and place, an unknown female allegedly being an FSG employee got harrassed by another unkown person, took unknown actions which were ultimately met by RMS firing her after unknown discussions. So yeah, no one should be surprised by RMS not wanting to remove an abortion joke".

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Posted May 8, 2018 4:06 UTC (Tue) by jdulaney (subscriber, #83672) [Link] (1 responses)

It's not unknown, I know the people involved, and was peripherally involved myself.

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Posted May 8, 2018 6:12 UTC (Tue) by Kalenx (subscriber, #120295) [Link]

> It's not unknown, I know the people involved

Sigh...

Look, I really want harrassed people to be able to report their harrasser, especially in tech. I really want people preventing or retaliating against harrassed people coming out to be punished, no matter high or famous they are. I genuinely do.

But read your comments as if you were an outsider. Imagine they were against another person if it helps (not even forcibly in tech). You begin by:

> Is anyone surprised?

as if the following of your comment was common knowledge. Then you state a very serious charge:

> RMS is cool with the FSF firing female employees when they report being harassed.

And the only fact/proof/testimony/conversation/mail/blog/irc log/report to back your argument when someone ask is "I know the people involved". Well, I could have guessed that, it's kind of hard to report someone without knowing them...

Again, I'm not saying that RMS did no wrong here (I just don't know). If he did, this has to be denounced. But by setting the bar so low for such denunciation, anyone can basically report half of the planet the same way.

Who controls glibc?

Posted May 8, 2018 4:13 UTC (Tue) by geoffbeier (guest, #123670) [Link]

I'm sorry for what happened to the people you know. I wish you could share more details so that the rest of us could consider them when deciding how we want to interact with the stewards of this project.