Ingebrigtsen: The End of Gmane? [LWN.net]

Ingebrigtsen: The End of Gmane?

Posted Jul 30, 2016 1:53 UTC (Sat) by Computator (guest, #109551)
Parent article: Ingebrigtsen: The End of Gmane?

I understand that he no longer wants to be in charge of the service, but besides that factor, why not use something like Cloudflare? Is there another factor I am missing?

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Ingebrigtsen: The End of Gmane?

Posted Jul 30, 2016 21:26 UTC (Sat) by micka (subscriber, #38720) [Link] (13 responses)

I see at least one reason to never put a site behind cloudflare.
Clouflare is obnoxious with its use of captchas.

Ingebrigtsen: The End of Gmane?

Posted Jul 31, 2016 7:22 UTC (Sun) by niner (guest, #26151) [Link] (11 responses)

What's worse? A site that's behind a CAPTCHA or a site that's down?

Ingebrigtsen: The End of Gmane?

Posted Jul 31, 2016 8:39 UTC (Sun) by jwilk (subscriber, #63328) [Link]

The worst is false dichotomy.

Ingebrigtsen: The End of Gmane?

Posted Jul 31, 2016 9:01 UTC (Sun) by micka (subscriber, #38720) [Link] (9 responses)

Well, if it's a site you can't go to because there's a captcha, I suppose it has the same value as a site that's down.

Ingebrigtsen: The End of Gmane?

Posted Aug 1, 2016 9:16 UTC (Mon) by gowen (guest, #23914) [Link] (8 responses)

Don't confuse "can't" with "won't". They are not the same thing.

Ingebrigtsen: The End of Gmane?

Posted Aug 1, 2016 9:32 UTC (Mon) by micka (subscriber, #38720) [Link] (7 responses)

So, I amend to "a site where you won't go because you can't".

Ingebrigtsen: The End of Gmane?

Posted Aug 1, 2016 12:31 UTC (Mon) by gowen (guest, #23914) [Link] (6 responses)

Why can you not go to a site with a Captcha?

Ingebrigtsen: The End of Gmane?

Posted Aug 1, 2016 14:09 UTC (Mon) by micka (subscriber, #38720) [Link] (5 responses)

Either because _I can't solve them_. Seriously, some seem to be made so hard that they guess computer from human because only computers can solve them.
Then the alternative is un-understandable synthetized audio speech that I 100% don't understand because it's english and I'm not english speaker.
Or because some of them require you to use a mouse, thinking of recent recaptcha ones. Then I have to go and fetch a mouse. Where did i put it again? Ah crap, I didn't take it with me.
For this same one, I never understand them. It is a river or it is sea? Must I check this square which is quarter-covered with the sign? Is the leg of the sign part of the sign?
And then you get in loops of captchas that never ends. They should just tell you that you failed.
Or because some of them are not usable by disabled people. Note that for this one, I'm not affected but will be as soon as my eyesight deteriorate, like anybody else.

Ingebrigtsen: The End of Gmane?

Posted Aug 1, 2016 14:49 UTC (Mon) by spaetz (guest, #32870) [Link]

I am glad that I am not the only one too stupid to solve recaptchas. Is this gray blob a lake or a river? Is this sign a house number or an Australian street sign? More than once I've simply given up.

Ingebrigtsen: The End of Gmane?

Posted Aug 2, 2016 5:56 UTC (Tue) by karkhaz (subscriber, #99844) [Link] (3 responses)

> Seriously, some seem to be made so hard that they guess computer from human because only computers can solve them

Related: The Arch Linux forum requires that you paste in the output from a shell command in order to register as a new user. At the moment it is date -u +%V$(uname)|sha512sum|sed 's/\W//g'.

I always assumed that it was to stop the hoards of hand-holdy distro users who sign up to post support questions that Archers can't or won't answer, but that particular command is not actually Arch-specific. Would be nice if it involved pacman or something.

Ingebrigtsen: The End of Gmane?

Posted Aug 3, 2016 13:19 UTC (Wed) by ssam (guest, #46587) [Link] (2 responses)

Pasting from websites is a bad idea
https://thejh.net/misc/website-terminal-copy-paste

Ingebrigtsen: The End of Gmane?

Posted Aug 3, 2016 14:04 UTC (Wed) by micka (subscriber, #38720) [Link] (1 responses)

Well, pasting from a website to a terminal is a bad idea right.
This is pasting from a terminal to a website.

Ingebrigtsen: The End of Gmane?

Posted Aug 5, 2016 7:34 UTC (Fri) by k8to (guest, #15413) [Link]

The registration page[0] asks of the user during registration

. . .What is the output of "date -u +%V$(uname)|sha1sum|sed 's/\W//g'"?

How do you think a typical user will answer this question? They could of course try to type it into the terminal themselves, but the quantity of punctuation and whitespace control requirements will lead to many errors. Most likely they will copy and paste it from this question to their terminal. That is what is being questioned, not the second copy-paste of the answer.

0: https://bbs.archlinux.org/register.php?agree=Agree

Ingebrigtsen: The End of Gmane?

Posted Jul 31, 2016 23:01 UTC (Sun) by Computator (guest, #109551) [Link]

Captchas can be turned off for enterprise users, and very close to it for everyone else.