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Re: A bit meta

From:  Michael Selik <mike-fGqA3VZxGVbYtjvyW6yDsg-AT-public.gmane.org>
To:  python-ideas-+ZN9ApsXKcEdnm+yROfE0A-AT-public.gmane.org
Subject:  Re: A bit meta
Date:  Mon, 01 Feb 2016 06:00:35 +0000
Message-ID:  <CADqi795uMPA5M+gjDv=sF0XuqvJXViOJHFZ6Ft=mXN0f4Q5Zaw@mail.gmail.com>

For what it's worth, my interest in starting this thread was, as a new
participant to the list:

- already overwhelmed by the frequency of emails
- archives are difficult to search for relevant previous conversations
- it's hard to observe agreement, but easy to observe disagreement
- it's hard to observe the opinions of decision-makers
- the last response in a conversation can feel like the consensus, creating
an incentive to "get the last word" by repeating oneself, by writing in a
style that discourages response, or by speaking on a different aspect of
the topic without direct response (as I suppose I am doing here)

The reason I latched onto Sjoerd's question of whether he had the right to
say "+1" was to highlight the issue of observing agreement, especially the
agreement of folks who can change the language. I'm not interested in a
voting system for the purpose of having a vote, but so I can see who has
been convinced of what, what clout they have, and whether another message
is useful.


On Sun, Jan 31, 2016, 2:21 PM Ben Finney <ben+python-TqlCGjI+HWGnbCmf7pGUHw@public.gmane.org>
wrote:

> Brett Cannon <brett-+ZN9ApsXKcEdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> writes:
>
> > For instance, people have said they don't want to set up another
> > account.
>
> The complaint expressed (by me, at least; perhaps others agree) was not
> against setting up an account. As you point out, PSF mailing lists
> already require creating accounts. It's against being required to
> maintain a trusted relationship with some non-PSF-accountable entity, in
> order to participate in some aspect of Python community.
>
> I agree with others that a Discourse instance entirely controlled by PSF
> would avoid that problem.
>
> --
>  \        “Consider the daffodil. And while you're doing that, I'll be |
>   `\              over here, looking through your stuff.” —Jack Handey |
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> Ben Finney
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