A better story for multi-core Python
Running the standard Python interpreter in threads on multiple CPU cores has always resulted in a smaller performance gain than one might naively think—or hope for. Because of the CPython global interpreter lock (GIL), only one thread of execution can be running in the interpreter core at any given time. Removing the GIL has long been a topic of discussion in Python circles, and various alternative Python implementations have either removed or worked around the GIL. A recent discussion on the python-ideas mailing list looked at a different approach to providing a better multi-core story for Python.
In a post that was optimistically titled
"solving multi-core Python
", Eric Snow outlined an approach that did not
rely on removing the GIL, but instead relies on "subinterpreters" and a
mechanism to
share objects between them. The multi-core problem is partly
a public
relations problem for the language, Snow said, but it needs solving for
that and other, more technical reasons.
Subinterpreters
The basic principle behind Snow's proposal is to take the existing subinterpreter support and to expose it in the Python language as a concurrency mechanism. The subinterpreters would run in separate threads, but would not generally share data with each other, at least implicitly, unlike the typical use of threads. Data would only be exchanged explicitly via channels (similar to those in the Go language). One of the main influences for Snow's thoughts (and for Go's concurrency model) is Tony Hoare's "Communicating Sequential Processes".
Handling objects shared between subinterpreters is one of the areas that requires more thought, Snow said. One way forward might be to only allow immutable objects to be shared between the subinterpreters. In order to do that, though, it probably makes sense to move the reference counts (used for garbage collection) out of the objects themselves and into a separate table. That would allow the objects themselves to be truly unchanging, which could also help performance in the multi-processing (i.e. fork()) case by avoiding page copies (via copy-on-write) of objects that are simply being referenced again, as Nick Coghlan pointed out.
Other areas that need to be considered are what the restrictions on subinterpreters would be. If, for example, subinterpreters were not allowed to start new threads, they would be single-threaded and not require a GIL. Or the GIL for subinterpreters could be replaced with a "local interpreter lock", with the main GIL used in the main interpreter and to mediate interaction between subinterpreters. There is also a question about using fork() in subinterpreters. In the initial email, Snow suggested disallowing that, but in the discussion that followed, he seemed to rethink that.
The proposal is clearly a kind of early stage "request for comment" (or
"a shot over the bow
" as Snow put it) but it did spark quite a
bit of discussion and some fairly favorable comments. Yury Selivanov was
quite interested in the idea, for example,
noting that just being able to share immutable objects would be useful:
Concerns
But Gregory Smith was concerned about the
impact of each subinterpreter needing to re-import all of the modules used
by the main interpreter, since those would not be shared. That would
reduce the effectiveness of Snow's model. On the other
hand, though, Smith sees a potential upside as well: "I think a
result of it
could be to make our subinterpreter support better which would be a good
thing.
" Several suggestions were made for ways to speed up the
startup time for subinterpreters or to share more state (such as modules)
between the
interpreters.
Several in the thread believed that the existing, fork()-based concurrency was the right way forward, at least for POSIX systems. For example, Devin Jeanpierre said:
While fork() does provide those benefits, it is only available on
POSIX systems. It is different than Snow's goal, which is "to make it obvious and undeniable that
Python (3.6+) has a good multi-core story
", which is partly a matter
of public perception. The subinterpreter idea
is just a means to that end, he said, and he would be happy to see a different
solution if it fulfilled that goal. In the meantime, though, his proposal
has some characteristics that multi-processing with fork() lacks:
But Sturla Molden pointed to the lack of
fork() for Windows as one of the real reasons behind Snow's proposal: "It then boils down to a workaround for the fact that
Windows cannot fork, which makes it particularly bad for running
CPython
". But, as Snow said, Python
cannot ignore Windows. Beyond that, though, even with the "superior"
fork() solution available, the perception of multi-core Python is
much different:
Molden replied with a long list of
answers to the "FUD" that is promulgated about Python and the GIL, but that
doesn't really change anything. That is why Snow's goal is to make
multi-core support "obvious and undeniable
". It also seems
that Molden is coming from a scientific/numeric Python background, which is
not generally where the complaints about Python's multi-core support
originate, as Coghlan noted.
Shared data
The reasoning behind restricting the data shared between interpreters to
immutable types (at
least initially) can
be seen from a question asked by Nathaniel
Smith. He wondered how two subinterpreters could share a complicated data
structure
containing several different types of Python objects.
Snow acknowledged that concern, and
suggested that avoiding the "trickiness involved
" in handling
that kind of data by sticking to immutable objects; though there may be
"some sort of
support for mutable objects
" added later, he said.
Coghlan summarized Snow's proposal as really being three separate things:
- Filing off enough of the rough edges of the subinterpreter support that we're comfortable giving them a public Python level API that other interpreter implementations can reasonably support
- Providing the primitives needed for safe and efficient message passing between subinterpreters
- Allowing subinterpreters to truly execute in parallel on multicore machines
All 3 of those are useful enhancements in their own right, which offers the prospect of being able to make incremental progress towards the ultimate goal of native Python level support for distributing across multiple cores within a single process.
In addition, Coghlan has published a summary of the state of multi-core Python that looks at the problem along with alternatives and possible solutions. It is an update from an earlier entry in his Python 3 Q&A and is well worth a read to get the background on the issues.
There seems to be enough interest in Snow's proposal that it could be on
the radar for Python 3.6 (which is roughly 18 months off). There is a
long road before
that happens, though. A PEP will have to be written—as will a good bit of
code. We also have yet to see what Guido van Rossum's thoughts on
the whole idea are, though Snow did mention some discussions with Python's
benevolent dictator for life in his initial post. As Nathaniel Smith put
it, Snow's approach seems like the "least impossible
" one.
That is not the same as "possible", of course, but seems hopeful at least.
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