Fedora 22 Alpha released [LWN.net]

Fedora 22 Alpha released

Posted Mar 10, 2015 19:24 UTC (Tue) by zenor (guest, #100805)
Parent article: Fedora 22 Alpha released

The KDE spin is nice (uses Plasma 5 already). The rest of the system
is bleeding edge, too: gcc-5, binutils-2.25, glibc 2.21 and linux-4.0-rc2.

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Fedora 22 Alpha released

Posted Mar 10, 2015 23:41 UTC (Tue) by cesarb (subscriber, #6266) [Link] (6 responses)

> The rest of the system is bleeding edge, too

It's Fedora. Bleeding edge is kind of expected of them.

Fedora 22 Alpha released

Posted Mar 11, 2015 8:10 UTC (Wed) by johannbg (guest, #65743) [Link] (1 responses)

That is an common misconception.

Fedora has not been "bleeding edge" for years with the exception for the components and products that Red Hat pushes for early adoption for you to flush out any bugs before they start maintaining them in RHEL.

Running rawhide directly is not for the faint hearted since most maintainers dont pay attention to it after alpha since they are too busy focusing on the release at hand.

There have been indvdiuals efforts in trying to change that and get more developers to run rawhide themselves but all such attempts are futile for obvious reasons and thus will always fail.

OpenSuse Tumbleweed is probably better choice than running rawhide if that is what you want.

Now if you want distribution that is made of and functionally ships the most recent components of upstream a.k.a "leading edge" Arch is and has been it for many years.

Fedora 22 Alpha released

Posted Mar 11, 2015 12:29 UTC (Wed) by mathstuf (subscriber, #69389) [Link]

I agree that if you run Rawhide, it can get rocky especially when the desktops upgrade. But I don't use a "desktop", so it is basically much easier for me to work on Rawhide. The only bug I've hit recently that has been "catastrophic" is an F22 blocker now and much closer to being fixed because Rawhide users reported it a week before anyone saw it on F22 and triggered the necessary review request getting filed (bind99).

I haven't run Arch myself, but I also have too much in Fedora at this point to really consider switching and its not like Arch is unconditionally ahead of Rawhide anyways.

Fedora 22 Alpha released

Posted Mar 12, 2015 11:57 UTC (Thu) by pabs (subscriber, #43278) [Link] (3 responses)

Are there any distros that distribute only todays master/tip/head/dev branch of everything?

Fedora 22 Alpha released

Posted Mar 12, 2015 18:21 UTC (Thu) by smoogen (subscriber, #97) [Link] (1 responses)

That would be a lot of work because everything is very very very big. [Think of the number of people who would need to take care of each package...]

Fedora 22 Alpha released

Posted Mar 12, 2015 19:21 UTC (Thu) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]

Automated scratch builds for new upstream releases would be helpful for that.

Fedora 22 Alpha released

Posted Mar 17, 2015 12:52 UTC (Tue) by mbar (guest, #73813) [Link]

You can find so called "9999" ebuilds in Gentoo that download latest package code from its SVN/GIT/whatever repository, compile and install it, for example:
http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/m...
http://packages.gentoo.org/package/media-video/ffmpeg

Some of "9999" ebuilds are found only in overlays, like x11 overlay:
http://gitweb.gentoo.org/proj/x11.git/tree/x11-base/xorg-...

Fedora 22 Alpha released

Posted Mar 13, 2015 7:00 UTC (Fri) by bandrami (guest, #94229) [Link] (4 responses)

> The rest of the system is bleeding edge, too: gcc-5

I guess people don't remember the epic fiasco that was the alleged "gcc 2.96"?

There is no gcc-5. It doesn't exist yet. RH is shipping a patchset that may or may not be similar to what GNU ends up releasing as gcc 5.

Fedora 22 Alpha released

Posted Mar 13, 2015 7:08 UTC (Fri) by rsidd (subscriber, #2582) [Link]

They should have called it gcc-4.96

Fedora 22 Alpha released

Posted Mar 13, 2015 15:29 UTC (Fri) by jwakely (subscriber, #60262) [Link]

There is also no Fedora 22, it also doesn't exist yet. So what's the problem with F22 Alpha tracking upstream GCC 5?

Also, "GNU" doesn't release GCC, the GCC project does, and "RH" doesn't release Fedora, the Fedora project does, and the people responsible for GCC in Fedora are also core GCC maintainers.

Fedora 22 Alpha released

Posted Mar 13, 2015 18:45 UTC (Fri) by cesarb (subscriber, #6266) [Link] (1 responses)

> There is no gcc-5. It doesn't exist yet. RH is shipping a patchset that may or may not be similar to what GNU ends up releasing as gcc 5.

It isn't the first time they do this in Fedora. They time the release so that the official release of that GCC version happens before the Fedora release.

I just checked the GCC status page (https://gcc.gnu.org/); it says GCC 5.0 is at "regression fixes and docs only" stage (https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2015-01/msg00156.html). Therefore, whatever releases with Fedora 22 is going to be "similar to what GNU ends up releasing as gcc 5", even if Fedora releases first.

Fedora 22 Alpha released

Posted Mar 13, 2015 18:59 UTC (Fri) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]

In addition to that, regressions in GCC and glibc are often found and fixed because of introduction of upstream tracking snapshots in the development branch and the mass rebuilds that typically follow. Fedora 22 doesn't have a GCC mass rebuild because of the short schedule but ad-hoc builds have been serving a similar purpose for this cycle.