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The kernel's code of conflict

Posted Mar 9, 2015 21:29 UTC (Mon) by raven667 (guest, #5198)
In reply to: The kernel's code of conflict by jb.1234abcd
Parent article: The kernel's code of conflict

I may be misreading you but it seems you are mocking people who don't want to be treated like crap, why should anybody who has an ounce of self-respect be expected to have a "stomach to fight it out" with pointless insults as a prerequisite for keeping their professional job?

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The kernel's code of conflict

Posted Mar 10, 2015 1:56 UTC (Tue) by fest3er (guest, #60379) [Link]

Raven667, I agree with you completely. Incivility and rude behaviour are allowed and expected in war. But this isn't war; this is communal cooperation. And no community will long stand when one group of its members appear to strive to keep most members at each others' throats.

If submitted code stinks, say it stinks, explain why it stinks, and offer suggestions how to make it less smelly. In other words, take the opportunity to teach someone who probably wants to learn. People who have spent a lifetime learning and perfecting have a duty to pass along what they've learned to a new generation, and have a duty to recognize when they need to take a break from answering the same questions day after day, month after month, year after year, when the questions come from newbs who want to learn, who try to learn, who want to contribute to the community.

In a sentence, it takes a lot more energy to build than to raze. Build anyway.

The kernel's code of conflict

Posted Mar 10, 2015 17:28 UTC (Tue) by jb.1234abcd (guest, #95827) [Link] (2 responses)

Your hesitation is warranted, otherwise you would be misreading.
Every time you try to legislate that it is only a matter of time and you see
the poisonous effects of it. There are loosers only.
You do not want to be treated like crap, act accordingly. There is a good chance you will find support from others, unexpectedly.

The kernel's "code of conflict" is an act of deliberate laziness - passing
a problem to other people and expecting them to find a solution to YOUR
problem.
You could not work it out in your all wisdom, but you expect it from
others.
And if that leads to more rules, laws, and bylaws the better for everybody.
Really ?
Do you remember the convoluted Debian TC process regarding systemd adoption ? Pretty scary.
So, now you want to have a replay of that at Linux Foundation ?
In other words, the initiators of this idea placed a stinker in
Foundation's courtyard.
And the peanut gallery will enjoy it greatly from now on.

The kernel's code of conflict

Posted Mar 10, 2015 21:54 UTC (Tue) by raven667 (guest, #5198) [Link]

> The kernel's "code of conflict" is an act of deliberate laziness - passing
a problem to other people and expecting them to find a solution to YOUR
problem.

I'm going to disagree with this axiom, the person who is being treated like crap is not the one whose behavior is a problem, they aren't the ones in the wrong, so it's not their responsibility to "fix" someone else's behavior, that's not even logically possible. What can be done is to inform the person who is misbehaving that what they've said is unwelcome, but ultimately they are responsible for their own behavior.

The kernel's code of conflict

Posted Mar 10, 2015 22:12 UTC (Tue) by bojan (subscriber, #14302) [Link]

> There are loosers only. You do not want to be treated like crap, act accordingly.

Yeah, totally agree. I mean, all those fucking bitch whores asking to not be raped, all those fucking retard cunts in their wheelchairs asking not to be spat on, all those fucking kids asking not be beaten to within an inch of their life. Who on earth do they think they are, asking for a bit of civilized behaviour?

And just in case someone missed it, I totally disagree with you, of course.

Never mind the fact that we should behave in a civilized way as a general rule. Your freedom and mine are limited by the freedom of the persons next to us. Guess what? There is seven billion of us on this planet. Lots of persons to take into account.