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The Grumpy Editor's guide to surviving the systemd debate

The Grumpy Editor's guide to surviving the systemd debate

Posted Nov 13, 2014 18:53 UTC (Thu) by Seegras (guest, #20463)
In reply to: The Grumpy Editor's guide to surviving the systemd debate by bferrell
Parent article: The Grumpy Editor's guide to surviving the systemd debate

> What init DOES do is to call a very flexible process management system
> that works correctly and doesn't have "odd corner cases" that will be
> fixed somewhere in the future.

Bah. I didn't like SysV init when we changed to it (yes, I am one of those people whose first Linux distros had BSD init), and while it definitely is rather more flexible than BSD init, "works correctly" isn't what I would use to describe it. Rather: "A mess of shell scripts that work most of the time".

So systemd is a (another; I think I tried about all of them) replacement for SysV init, hopefully a better one. We'll see.

Init-systems are not a cause for flamewars anyway (unless you run emacs as init; then you need to be flamed).


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The Grumpy Editor's guide to surviving the systemd debate

Posted Nov 13, 2014 19:36 UTC (Thu) by bferrell (subscriber, #624) [Link]

I remember before ANY init scripts... when init ran everything

And yes, if you run emacs as init, flamed is probably not needed... But you MIGHT get a darwin award

The Grumpy Editor's guide to surviving the systemd debate

Posted Nov 17, 2014 23:41 UTC (Mon) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link] (3 responses)

I ran Emacs as init for a while, but its service supervision really isn't very good.

One shouldn't write init systems in Lisp anyway. They have not enough pros and far too many cons.

The Grumpy Editor's guide to surviving the systemd debate

Posted Nov 19, 2014 22:04 UTC (Wed) by cesarb (subscriber, #6266) [Link] (2 responses)

> One shouldn't write init systems in Lisp anyway. They have not enough pros and far too many cons.

In case anyone didn't get the joke: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/cons

The Grumpy Editor's guide to surviving the systemd debate

Posted Nov 19, 2014 22:29 UTC (Wed) by neilbrown (subscriber, #359) [Link] (1 responses)

> In case anyone didn't get the joke ...

thanks for pointing that out!! I would have missed it otherwise and that would have been a shame.

The Grumpy Editor's guide to surviving the systemd debate

Posted Nov 25, 2014 22:11 UTC (Tue) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

I dunno. Your software saves my data repeatedly, I make you chuckle once.

It doesn't really seem like sufficient recompense...


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