Sun drops bid to join Eclipse (ZDNet) [LWN.net]

ZDNet reports that Sun will not be joining the Eclipse consortium after all. "The failure of Sun and Eclipse to reach a collaborative arrangement effectively creates a split between two of the largest open-source tools projects in the industry."

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Sun drops bid to join Eclipse (ZDNet)

Posted Dec 4, 2003 13:30 UTC (Thu) by davidl (guest, #12156) [Link] (3 responses)

Not a surprise really. Sun think they own Java, but from a Sun perspective Java isn't going anywhere and they aren't even making any money out of it. I don't know what Sun think they're protecting.

Sun drops bid to join Eclipse (ZDNet)

Posted Dec 4, 2003 13:35 UTC (Thu) by davidl (guest, #12156) [Link] (1 responses)

It should also be noted that Sun's versions of Java, J2SE and particularly J2EE, are not open sourced.

Sun drops bid to join Eclipse (ZDNet)

Posted Dec 4, 2003 17:25 UTC (Thu) by mjw (subscriber, #16740) [Link]

And that most free VMs can already run Eclipse. From the debian-java mailinglist:

You have your choice of:

mono + ikvm.net
http://weblog.ikvm.net/PermaLink.aspx/894943be-451e-4d6c-a692-77119eb02d06
(2.1 only as far as I know, but IKVM.NET follows GNU Classpath quite closely so getting 3.0M4 working should not be that difficult.)
kaffe
Kaffe from CVS (will become 1.1.3 in one/two weeks) can run Eclipse 2.1 out of the box. 3.0M4 needs some patches (that might or might not make it for 1.1.3):
http://www.kaffe.org/pipermail/kaffe/2003-October/044313.html
gij (GNU Interpreter for Java which comes with gcj)
Can run both 2.1 and 3.0M4 with some patches to the current CVS tree (which will become gcc 3.4).
See: http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/java/2003-11/msg00024.html

You can also mix and match the above and run Eclipse itself with gij, but your own projects from Eclipse with kaffe:
http://www.klomp.org/mark/classpath/eclipse-gcj-kaffe.png
Or combine it with the java-gnome bindings and the Eclipse project wizard plugin to get a nice free Gnome development environment:
http://www.klomp.org/mark/classpath/eclipse-gnome-gij.png
The only complete free build that I know of is the RedHat native eclipse (2.1) source RPMs. The build process takes a long time, but then you have a very, very fast eclipse. And it can also be used on Debian systems. http://sources.redhat.com/eclipse/ Hints to get the JDT working out of the box on Debian unstable/x86 with the above RPMs can be found at: http://sources.redhat.com/ml/eclipse/2003-q3/msg00068.html

Sun drops bid to join Eclipse (ZDNet)

Posted Dec 4, 2003 18:29 UTC (Thu) by larryr (guest, #4030) [Link]

I don't know what Sun think they're protecting.

I think they are trying to protect the people who have invested in the NetBeans technology.

they aren't even making any money out of [Java].

Sun traditionally has made their interfaces open for implementation and then either tried to make money from selling the best implementation, or from new demand for their other products/services from companies which are using the interfaces to create new value.

Larry