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Those who do the work, chose the direction.

Those who do the work, chose the direction.

Posted Jun 1, 2014 0:19 UTC (Sun) by pizza (subscriber, #46)
Parent article: Questioning corporate involvement in GNOME development

It sounds like Ms Goyner is advocating that the GNOME Foundation basically kick out the folks doing the lion's share of the work.

I fail to see how that actually improves anything.


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Those who do the work, chose the direction.

Posted Jun 1, 2014 2:53 UTC (Sun) by mcatanzaro (subscriber, #93033) [Link]

This is easily the biggest issue in the election.

I don't think Emily's opinion is representative of the GNOME community's. Without contributions from Red Hat, GNOME would be stagnant. Most (not all!) of the recent rapid improvements in GNOME are from Red Hat employees.

I do wish other big companies had more skin in the game, as used to be the case.

Those who do the work, chose the direction.

Posted Jun 1, 2014 5:44 UTC (Sun) by luya (subscriber, #50741) [Link]

Exactly. Real case was Enlightement 0.17 taking so long to develop until Samsung step in to advance the project.
I think Emily's opinion failed to take account the reality.

Those who do the work, chose the direction.

Posted Jun 1, 2014 4:24 UTC (Sun) by krakensden (subscriber, #72039) [Link]

Indeed. There is clearly a problem- desktop related projects are shutting down, users have been disappearing- but the people showing up and doing the work are showing up and doing the work. What's the bus factor for Gnome- ten or so?

It would help if the project's stance didn't often seem like "if you are a developer or a long time *nix user, we hate you and wish you'd go back to fvwm". Maybe more developers and long time *nix users would submit patches. They certainly seem to be showing up to contribute to projects that run on OS X.

Those who do the work, chose the direction.

Posted Jun 2, 2014 9:19 UTC (Mon) by k3ninho (subscriber, #50375) [Link]

>It would help if the project's stance didn't often seem like "if you are a developer or a long time *nix user, we hate you and wish you'd go back to fvwm".

I don't run GNOME because it lost features I wanted and the people in the community couldn't share their creation with people who were different to them. This is the problem that the GNOME community needs to solve, possibly related to corp involvement but as likely to be entirely distinct. I would advocate more corps to get involved, but my situation is I'm put off from doing so and therefore I expect others to also be caught between needing to get involved and being rebuffed.

K3n.

Those who do the work, chose the direction.

Posted Jun 5, 2014 6:50 UTC (Thu) by Seegras (guest, #20463) [Link]

> if you are a developer or a long time *nix user,
> we hate you and wish you'd go back to fvwm

Yes, that's how GNOME started to feel some time ago.

Those who do the work, chose the direction.

Posted Jun 10, 2014 13:59 UTC (Tue) by Tet (subscriber, #5433) [Link]

That's probably part of the reason why I run fvwm.

Those who do the work, chose the direction.

Posted Jul 9, 2014 1:59 UTC (Wed) by hitmark (guest, #34609) [Link]

In all honesty i don't think it is limited to Gnome.

Multiple projects ("coincidentally" ones where RH pays the major developers) seems to have this "air" about them right now.

and many of them seems to be tied to rapid booting of limited systems. Perhaps aimed at aiding the rapid deployment of cloud computing instances as found in Amazon's EC2.

Even Gnome could tie into that, in the sense of remote desktops.

Those who do the work, chose the direction.

Posted Jun 2, 2014 8:09 UTC (Mon) by ovitters (subscriber, #27950) [Link]

> It sounds like Ms Goyner is advocating that the GNOME Foundation basically kick out the folks doing the lion's share of the work.

She sees a problem and proposes some ideas to change it. I don't think those problems are realistic, but it would be bad to ignore completely because of it. She says she notices that it appears Red Hat is totally controlling GNOME. That's what she wants to change (the impression). The steps to change that are pretty radical. But only giving responses such as "you're bad / this cannot work" will make everyone ignore the issue that she's raising. That's not good IMO.


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