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Questioning corporate involvement in GNOME development

Questioning corporate involvement in GNOME development

Posted May 31, 2014 17:33 UTC (Sat) by ballombe (subscriber, #9523)
Parent article: Questioning corporate involvement in GNOME development

Maybe related, 90% of the GNOME developers at FOSDEM 2012 were running Fedora. Thus, they might make choice that are relevant on Fedora but less appropriate on other distributions.


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Questioning corporate involvement in GNOME development

Posted May 31, 2014 18:02 UTC (Sat) by Tara_Li (subscriber, #26706) [Link]

It's an interesting point, but then you look at the general split going on among free (beer) distros, and it's honestly not that shocking. Fedora does Gnome, Ubuntu does Unity - those are, by far, the biggest in that segment of the market. Sure, RedHat has a lot of the paid-support people locked up, and many server farms with enough resources use Debian fairly directly without going through one of the derivatives such as Ubuntu, and SuSE has its decent share both of the free (beer) community with OpenSuSE and paid-support community...

But over all, Fedora almost equals Gnome. Mint and the rest just don't have the legs yet.

Questioning corporate involvement in GNOME development

Posted Jun 1, 2014 23:08 UTC (Sun) by atai (subscriber, #10977) [Link]

There is something wrong with the argument that Red Hat controls GNOME. In fact, GNOME 3's direction is not to Red Hat's interest... GNOME 3 is trying to make GNOME into a GUI for mobile devices, but Red Hat has shown no interest in getting into the mobile business... In fact, GNOME classic or MATE is a better environment for workstations or servers... look at the Red Hat servers today, when you login in, the typical UI woild be the clasic GNOME 2... GNOME 3 is aimed at a touch device and not suitable for the classical server environment or cloud environment.

Questioning corporate involvement in GNOME development

Posted Jun 2, 2014 8:38 UTC (Mon) by kigurai (subscriber, #85475) [Link]

I don't think GNOME 3 is aimed for mobile devices. Some thought seem to have been made to accomodate for touch screens, but that is not the same thing.

G3 is IMHO an excellent workstation GUI that is very much optimised for keyboard+mouse.

Questioning corporate involvement in GNOME development

Posted Jun 2, 2014 14:19 UTC (Mon) by tjc (guest, #137) [Link]

I have no idea what Gnome 3 is aiming at, but I agree that it's not in Red Hat's interests, whatever it is. If Red Hat were dictating development then classic mode would be the default, and the current default would be achieved through the extension mechanism.

Questioning corporate involvement in GNOME development

Posted Jun 3, 2014 17:00 UTC (Tue) by Tara_Li (subscriber, #26706) [Link]

I'm not saying that Fedora/Red Hat controls Gnome - intentionally or unintentionally. I'm just saying that as things have worked out, you want the best Gnome experience, you end up with Fedora. Not intentionally, by any means, just more a "Oh. Okay, so now what?" thing...

Questioning corporate involvement in GNOME development

Posted May 31, 2014 18:23 UTC (Sat) by drag (guest, #31333) [Link]

Gnome on Fedora has always been better then Gnome on Ubuntu or Debian, even before Gnome 3 stuff. Better then Debian because Debian does such a terrible job making sure things are configured correctly for users and better then Ubuntu because Ubuntu made Unity be rather incompatible with Gnome.

I think that Fedora does a much better job letting Gnome be Gnome then other major distributions with the possible exception of Arch, except Arch makes you configure everything properly yourself so it's always a bit of a pain to use. And possibly Suse, although I haven't used Suse in a very long time so I wouldn't know.

Questioning corporate involvement in GNOME development

Posted Jun 1, 2014 19:10 UTC (Sun) by ballombe (subscriber, #9523) [Link]

Do not you think this is a kind of chicken-and-egg problem ?
I doubt GNOME target itself as a Fedora-only project.

Questioning corporate involvement in GNOME development

Posted Jun 5, 2014 20:26 UTC (Thu) by jwarnica (guest, #27492) [Link]

Maybe "self fulfilling prophecy".

Fedora is, unquestionably, moving quite fast, and its base install thus has more bleeding edge packages not directly of interest to Gnome developers, but necessary for them. You *could* build the latest systemd on Debain, or just use Fedora. You *could* build the latest, I dunno, glibc on Debain, or just use Fedora. And working the other direction, if you just have (the latest) systemd, you just use it.

Questioning corporate involvement in GNOME development

Posted Jun 5, 2014 3:32 UTC (Thu) by mcatanzaro (subscriber, #93033) [Link]

GNOME on SUSE is nowadays not doing as well. Anything SUSE-specific (e.g. YaST) is lower quality than Fedora or Ubuntu. Many configuration options in gnome-control-center (e.g. NTP, or language settings) are perennially broken. They do not ship upstream bugfix updates. The community is smaller -- and GNOME users are a small minority -- so there are fewer hands finding and fixing bugs, and quality is somewhat lower overall.

Their strengths are that the GNOME packaging is roughly as good as Fedora's, they are sometimes better than Fedora at patching serious issues, and they have far superior quality-control for their updates (compared to Fedora). It is also much easier to join their community and contribute fixes or packages.

Questioning corporate involvement in GNOME development

Posted Jun 15, 2014 3:57 UTC (Sun) by N0NB (guest, #3407) [Link]

Seems that this is an upstream problem, not a distribution problem. If an upstream package isn't capable of providing a good user experience out of the box, then I find it difficult to fault any given distribution that does not go out of its way to do the work that upstream should have already done. However, it is a distribution's problem if their package is demonstrably worse than building from upstream's source release.

Do the Debian packagers make GNOME demonstrably worse, or are they not hiding the warts?


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