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A call for votes in the Debian init system discussion

A call for votes in the Debian init system discussion

Posted Jan 28, 2014 0:17 UTC (Tue) by hadrons123 (guest, #72126)
In reply to: A call for votes in the Debian init system discussion by johannbg
Parent article: A call for votes in the Debian init system discussion

3 months has been clearly wasted and some people from upstart camp trying to stall further with the 'further discussion' option, I am not sure what is there to discuss anymore that has not been discussed already and since they are pretty sure they will loose they want to request for a GR.

Ian has been showing unilateral bureaucratic tactics to muddy the situation and looks like he won't stop until he wins with his options. Maybe he should be removed first from being CTTE member, since he showed no intention to vote for a project based on the technicality. After 3 months of discussion he votes sysvinit even before upstart, which is rather appalling.


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A call for votes in the Debian init system discussion

Posted Jan 28, 2014 1:30 UTC (Tue) by johannbg (subscriber, #65743) [Link]

Well it looks a bid odd to me that an individual that seeks decisive decision due to fragmentation in the community, to the body which makes the final decision on technical disputes in the Debian project for the community and that technical committee decides to let the community decide this for themselves, the same community that was too fragmented to be able to decide this in the first place, which was the reason that individual needed to seeks decisive decision to begin with. o_O

What purpose does the technical committee serve if it's incapable of making the final decision on needed technical disputes in the community?

What purpose does the technical committee serve if the community is not willing to abide to their ruling?

The technical committee could have easily avoided any kind of stall tactics in this matter by simply saying Jesse wont be released until the chosen init system is properly integrated into all official deliverables ( lives/installation/hands out media ) and at this point delaying the release for those three months this has already taken is probably needed for that.

A call for votes in the Debian init system discussion

Posted Jan 28, 2014 8:09 UTC (Tue) by anselm (subscriber, #2796) [Link]

What purpose does the technical committee serve if the community is not willing to abide to their ruling?

Theoretically, if it comes to a GR about the init system, there is now ample documentation by impartial people like Russ Allbery that Debian developers could avail themselves of to form an opinion on what to vote for, so they don't need to rely on propaganda by either the systemd or Upstart camps.

Whether people will actually let their preconceived opinions be influenced by mere facts is, of course, anyone's guess.


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