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A call for votes in the Debian init system discussion

A call for votes in the Debian init system discussion

Posted Jan 27, 2014 20:08 UTC (Mon) by rodgerd (guest, #58896)
In reply to: A call for votes in the Debian init system discussion by ovitters
Parent article: A call for votes in the Debian init system discussion

Voting a 5 for systemd, attacking Bdale, and raising a resolution banning any software which uses systemd from Debian forever.

I don't think Ian Jackson has the same view of his reputation as you do 8)


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A call for votes in the Debian init system discussion

Posted Jan 28, 2014 8:34 UTC (Tue) by alexl (guest, #19068) [Link]

The "forbid systemd" part swings both ways. With that in I don't think debian could package e.g.:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Maverick/Upstar...

as it would not work with a systemd init.

A call for votes in the Debian init system discussion

Posted Jan 28, 2014 21:38 UTC (Tue) by rodgerd (guest, #58896) [Link]

True, but I suspect the impact's far smaller. Ian's gone on to say it's explicitly about making it impossible for a situation where systemd ends up being the defacto default because too much software (KDE, GNOME, etc) depend on it.

Which cuts directly against the idea of letting the broader Debian and free software world churn up a natural solution. The idea that it would be better for Debian to e.g. loose KDE and GNOME than to have Canonical lose upstart (which is so hopelessly broken that it can't e.g. support Apache natively) doesn't really seem like good stewardship.

But I'm just a Debian user, so perhaps I don't understand Debian's goals sufficiently; maybe there's something about free software being less important than CLA-encumbered stuff that I missed.

A call for votes in the Debian init system discussion

Posted Jan 28, 2014 22:12 UTC (Tue) by anselm (subscriber, #2796) [Link]

You probably shouldn't confuse Debian's goals with Ian Jackson's goals.


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