> I do find it ironic that proponents are effectively suggesting that
> upstart native functionality be forbidden to be used by Debian developers,
> instead of _fixing_ upstart's expect logic to actually work as...expected.
(That's regarding "excpect fork" and such)
This functionality should not be needed in a properly-written service, as you should not write a daemon that forks. A forking daemon is likewise discouraged by systemd and will be likewise discouraged / forbidden by policy if systemd is chosen.
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