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Jolla Review: Some Rough Edges, But This Linux Smartphone Shows Promise (Forbes)

Jolla Review: Some Rough Edges, But This Linux Smartphone Shows Promise (Forbes)

Posted Jan 17, 2014 4:08 UTC (Fri) by mathstuf (subscriber, #69389)
In reply to: Jolla Review: Some Rough Edges, But This Linux Smartphone Shows Promise (Forbes) by The_Barbarian
Parent article: Jolla Review: Some Rough Edges, But This Linux Smartphone Shows Promise (Forbes)

Well, real window management would probably be a tiling window manager[1] (maybe with the ability to split the screen if it's large enough). And I don't use a close button. </snark>

[1]Tiling WMs *manage* windows. WMs like Metacity and friends just hold them in place and have a few shortcuts for things. KWin *can* be taught to *manage* windows, but then you're managing a lot of tedious settings and such.


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Jolla Review: Some Rough Edges, But This Linux Smartphone Shows Promise (Forbes)

Posted Jan 17, 2014 4:29 UTC (Fri) by raven667 (subscriber, #5198) [Link]

Well in all honesty tiling window managers make a ton of sense on mobiles, Samsung and Microsoft are shipping them already.

Jolla Review: Some Rough Edges, But This Linux Smartphone Shows Promise (Forbes)

Posted Jan 17, 2014 5:09 UTC (Fri) by The_Barbarian (subscriber, #48152) [Link]

Definitely would want a TWM (I use Awesome on the desktop. Awesome also is used with the Kobo ebook reader). Matchbox is alright though. Yes, overlapping windows would be silly.

Jolla Review: Some Rough Edges, But This Linux Smartphone Shows Promise (Forbes)

Posted Jan 17, 2014 11:32 UTC (Fri) by lbt (subscriber, #29672) [Link]

pfft we have ssh/sshd, mosh, screen, emacs and fingerterm on device - what more do you want?

yeah, I know "you don't have tmux - you suck!"

(^^^ humour for those with a buggy humour-detector!)

Jolla Review: Some Rough Edges, But This Linux Smartphone Shows Promise (Forbes)

Posted Jan 17, 2014 13:37 UTC (Fri) by mathstuf (subscriber, #69389) [Link]

I'd certainly take tmux over screen in a heartbeat… The code quality is not even a competition, tmux has more features, better docs, configuration, etc. The only thing I'd consider screen for these days is talking to serial cables for embedded devices (it worked better than minicom in a class).

Also, vim. Sometimes you need to edit things. ;)

Jolla Review: Some Rough Edges, But This Linux Smartphone Shows Promise (Forbes)

Posted Jan 17, 2014 14:17 UTC (Fri) by lbt (subscriber, #29672) [Link]

I'm sorry - but they already made me put vim in :(

I saw this about 30m ago. I copied the opensuse (x86) tmux package to my home on the Mer OBS. Realised I needed libevent. Copied that. We call pkg-config pkgconfig and omit some suse spec macros so deleted them.

I did zero work on cross-compile setup or config.

2 mins later it had built and published for arm and x86 and is available for every Jolla device to install *and* any plasma-active device or nemo device or the raspberry pi port of mer or the emulator or the SDK ... :)

Then on my device (as user, not root):

$ ssu ar lbt-sdk http://repo.merproject.org/obs/home:/lbt:/sdk/latest_armv...
$ pkcon refresh
$ pkcon install tmux

Now:

[nemo@localhost ~]$ tmux --version
usage: tmux [-28lquvV] [-c shell-command] [-f file] [-L socket-name]
[-S socket-path] [command [flags]]

happy?

I'll promote it to mer-tools 'soon' when I do the packaging properly.

PS I also needed an excuse to try tmux - and having a persistent session on the device should be cool when wifi drops. I can also connect from fingerterm... nice.

Jolla Review: Some Rough Edges, But This Linux Smartphone Shows Promise (Forbes)

Posted Jan 17, 2014 14:24 UTC (Fri) by mathstuf (subscriber, #69389) [Link]

Wow. Sweet.

One thing I can think of doing off the top of my head is to run a tiny git server (probably just SSH though) on the phone which contains my dotfiles so that I always have them available.

I haven't decided what I'm doing for a phone in the future yet (currently on a Verizon Galaxy Nexus), but if making packages is that easy… If I can take my current SIM and move it over (would like to keep my truly unlimited data plan), Jolla could be a contender.

Jolla Review: Some Rough Edges, But This Linux Smartphone Shows Promise (Forbes)

Posted Jan 17, 2014 14:35 UTC (Fri) by lbt (subscriber, #29672) [Link]

preinstalled on consumer devices out of the box:

[nemo@localhost ~]$ git --version
git version 1.8.2

For backups we use git and some blob support:

[nemo@localhost ~]$ ls -laF ~/.vault/
total 8
drwxr-xr-x 1 nemo nemo 144 2013-12-20 16:14 ./
drwxr-x--- 1 nemo nemo 1000 2014-01-17 14:07 ../
drwxrwxr-x 1 nemo nemo 18 2013-11-08 12:29 Accounts/
drwxrwxr-x 1 nemo nemo 18 2013-11-08 12:29 Browser/
drwxrwxr-x 1 nemo nemo 10 2013-11-08 12:29 Gallery/
drwxrwxr-x 1 nemo nemo 194 2013-12-20 16:15 .git/ <-----------
drwxrwxr-x 1 nemo nemo 8 2013-11-08 12:29 Media/
-rw-r--r-- 1 nemo privileged 24 2013-12-09 18:05 .message
drwxrwxr-x 1 nemo nemo 10 2013-11-08 12:29 Messages/
drwxrwxr-x 1 nemo nemo 162 2013-11-13 17:08 .modules/
drwxrwxr-x 1 nemo nemo 8 2013-11-08 12:29 People/
drwxrwxr-x 1 nemo nemo 10 2013-11-08 12:29 Phone/

[nemo@localhost ~]$ rsync --version
rsync version 3.1.0 protocol version 31

Jolla Review: Some Rough Edges, But This Linux Smartphone Shows Promise (Forbes)

Posted Feb 28, 2014 23:59 UTC (Fri) by richarson (subscriber, #74226) [Link]

Too old post, I know and I'm sorry if you're not interested anymore, but THIS is the kind of open I like!

I'll download the SDK to play with Sailfish and maybe I'll try it in my N9.
More or less open, I'm still very excited about this phone.


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