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Why is it always one step forward and two steps back?

Why is it always one step forward and two steps back?

Posted Jan 17, 2014 4:03 UTC (Fri) by mathstuf (subscriber, #69389)
In reply to: Why is it always one step forward and two steps back? by Max.Hyre
Parent article: Supporting connected standby

> How many people benefit from this twilight state?

I wouldn't mind it. Wake-on-LAN is a pain in the ass if you don't have the MAC address written down somewhere (or aren't VPN'd in). I'd like to save on my electricity bill by twilighting[1] my server until some network activity comes in on some regular TCP port (I assume port knocking could be a trigger). The same with my desktop in case I failed to push a branch to the server, I can just poke it and SSH in.

> hibernation should always be an option

Is that even an option these days? I still can't hibernate my machines reliably (suspend works though; I really want the hybrid version).

> we'll photograph your license plate and mail you a bill.

Ha! As if. At least with EZPass (northeast US only?), it's a prepaid system that automatically refills when the account drops below $20 or so. You don't even own the gizmo (the Department of Transportation usually does), so if you lose it, you have to pay to replace the thing.

Not to mention that they know when you were at exit A and B…which figures to an average of 70mph so there will be a fine waiting for you when you get home too!

[1]I like the term :) .


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Why is it always one step forward and two steps back?

Posted Jan 17, 2014 23:16 UTC (Fri) by foom (subscriber, #14868) [Link]

"Not to mention that they know when you were at exit A and B…which figures to an average of 70mph so there will be a fine waiting for you when you get home too!"

They don't actually do that...

I think in MA, at least, they are prohibited by law from using math between toll plazas to determine average speed on the Mass Pike, although I don't have a reference for it.

Wait, what does this have to do with connected standby?

Why is it always one step forward and two steps back?

Posted Jan 18, 2014 5:38 UTC (Sat) by mathstuf (subscriber, #69389) [Link]

> on the Mass Pike,

I'm most familiar with PA/NY where it's mainly used for the PA turnpike and I-87/I-90 in NY. My parents got one recently and I heard it from Dad (I think?). In any case, Snopes says I am indeed wrong here[1].

> Wait, what does this have to do with connected standby?

Nothing; I was replying to his curmudgeon-y part of the comment.

[1]http://www.snopes.com/autos/law/ezpass.asp

Why is it always one step forward and two steps back?

Posted Jan 18, 2014 0:16 UTC (Sat) by giraffedata (subscriber, #1954) [Link]

we'll photograph your license plate and mail you a bill.
Ha! As if. At least with EZPass (northeast US only?), it's a prepaid system that automatically refills when the account drops below $20 or so. You don't even own the gizmo ...

On the Golden Gate Bridge at San Francisco, there is no gizmo and no account. Couldn't be, because there are zero toll takers. You can't really block an important highway like this to visitors.

I can't find the "two steps back" in this.

Why is it always one step forward and two steps back?

Posted Jan 18, 2014 5:41 UTC (Sat) by mathstuf (subscriber, #69389) [Link]

> Golden Gate Bridge

If this was the bridge being referenced, fine. It just reminded me of EZPass and such.

> I can't find the "two steps back" in this.

I think that the "two steps back" is Max.Hyre referring to some of the longer term issues that arise with pervasive technology used without putting restrictions on it.

Why is it always one step forward and two steps back?

Posted Jan 18, 2014 12:10 UTC (Sat) by pizza (subscriber, #46) [Link]

> On the Golden Gate Bridge at San Francisco, there is no gizmo and no account. Couldn't be, because there are zero toll takers. You can't really block an important highway like this to visitors.

That's because the tolls are entirely electronic over the golden gate bridge, though they're only assessed in one direction. Incidentally, If you get a rental car in SFO it comes with such a "gizmo" needed to pay the tolls, and when you return the car all assessed tolls are added to your rental bill.

If you don't have a gizmo, they scan your license plate and send you a $25 penalty if you aren't registered in their system somehow (with a 48-hour grace period in case you accidentally get stuck crossing the bridge, it happens..)

http://goldengate.org/tolls/

Why is it always one step forward and two steps back?

Posted Jan 18, 2014 19:32 UTC (Sat) by giraffedata (subscriber, #1954) [Link]

If you don't have a gizmo, they scan your license plate and send you a $25 penalty if you aren't registered in their system somehow (with a 48-hour grace period in case you accidentally get stuck crossing the bridge, it happens..)

I believe you're mistaken about that. It sounds like you're describing bridges that have toll takers, but the driver blows right through (either the toll taker lane or the electronic lane without the gizmo).

According to the page you reference in your comment, if you drive across the Golden Gate Bridge without an electronic payment gizmo or an account, you get a bill in the mail for the toll alone, just as described in the original post. If you pay that bill, there is no penalty.


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