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The unveiling of kdbus

The unveiling of kdbus

Posted Jan 15, 2014 16:06 UTC (Wed) by NAR (subscriber, #1313)
In reply to: The unveiling of kdbus by raven667
Parent article: The unveiling of kdbus

That first impression made the bad reputation, that's why that is brought up all the time.

Also, "no workarounds" is understandable from the engineer's perspective, but from the user's perspective it looks like "that *** broke my system and doesn't even want to fix it!". In proprietary environment this is the time when a manager intervenes one way or other to avoid public relation disaster.

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The unveiling of kdbus

Posted Jan 15, 2014 16:56 UTC (Wed) by niner (subscriber, #26151) [Link]

Lennart did not break any systems. Pulseaudio did not break any systems. Distributions that switched on Pulseaudio before the problems in ALSA were fixed and did not provide simple ways to turn it off broke people's systems.

As an openSUSE user I found the whole discussions about Pulseaudio rather strange. It was just one easily discoverable click to turn Pulseaudio off when it didn't work and one click to turn it on again when the problems were fixed. And nowadays I have a wonderful system and can use the very nice features Pulseaudio provides.

The unveiling of kdbus

Posted Jan 17, 2014 1:56 UTC (Fri) by deepfire (guest, #26138) [Link]

..and of course Lennart did not have any way to influence the Pulseaudio rollout by the distributions:

- no rollout strategy discussions were possible
- he couldn't even predict there'd be any problems!

Sorry, this view doesn't fly. Lennart had a meaningful power to specify the pulseaudio use scenarios -- but he didn't exercise it. Probably because everything worked fine on his systems.

I'm not saying it's an uncommon mistake -- but it's an uncommon situation as a whole -- the impact was tremendous, since, well, everybody uses sound.

The unveiling of kdbus

Posted Jan 17, 2014 2:20 UTC (Fri) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]

" - he couldn't even predict there'd be any problems!"

On the contrary, he predicted that any such rollout will have to deal with issues and those issues would likely only surface with mass deployments of the software under different real world configurations due the wildly different set of hardware out there. This is the nature of complex software (compatibility layering requirements) and the amount of investment commercial Linux vendors are willing to make to move the desktop oriented technology forward.

The unveiling of kdbus

Posted Jan 17, 2014 3:55 UTC (Fri) by mathstuf (subscriber, #69389) [Link]

Lennart is involved with Fedora and things were bad there (at least among my machines with pretty well-supported hardware) for at most a year (Fedora 11 was fine). The Ubuntu deployment was one of the worse ones and AFAIK (though I have no details though), it was mentioned (on fedora-devel) that they weren't following upstream guidelines for whatever reason. Maybe jspaleta has some links or such handy? ;)

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