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Jolla Review: Some Rough Edges, But This Linux Smartphone Shows Promise (Forbes)

Jolla Review: Some Rough Edges, But This Linux Smartphone Shows Promise (Forbes)

Posted Jan 14, 2014 19:01 UTC (Tue) by dilinger (subscriber, #2867)
In reply to: Jolla Review: Some Rough Edges, But This Linux Smartphone Shows Promise (Forbes) by The_Barbarian
Parent article: Jolla Review: Some Rough Edges, But This Linux Smartphone Shows Promise (Forbes)

If it were fully free, I'd be happily porting it to my current qwerty slider phone (I don't want a non-keyboarded phone either). Since it's not, and there are no guarantees of it happening in the future, it might as well be android.


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Jolla Review: Some Rough Edges, But This Linux Smartphone Shows Promise (Forbes)

Posted Jan 15, 2014 10:47 UTC (Wed) by dsommers (subscriber, #55274) [Link]

Android phones are definitely not more open than Jolla. So this whining is just nonsense.

Jolla Review: Some Rough Edges, But This Linux Smartphone Shows Promise (Forbes)

Posted Jan 15, 2014 17:51 UTC (Wed) by aleXXX (subscriber, #2742) [Link]

I think so too.
I'm no expert in that area, but AFAIK on Android you have a Linux kernel and on top of that a custom system library and then a java API.
On Jolla you have a normal Linux libc, etc.
So I guess I could easily crosscompile non-GUI stuff for it ?
How do I get something running in the GUI, plain Qt or are special tricks needed ?

Jolla Review: Some Rough Edges, But This Linux Smartphone Shows Promise (Forbes)

Posted Jan 15, 2014 17:58 UTC (Wed) by dsommers (subscriber, #55274) [Link]

AFAIK, it's all Qt. At least there SDK is built upon Qtcreator.

More info:
http://www.jollausers.com/2013/05/a-get-together-with-sai...

https://sailfishos.org/develop.html

Jolla Review: Some Rough Edges, But This Linux Smartphone Shows Promise (Forbes)

Posted Jan 15, 2014 19:30 UTC (Wed) by lbt (subscriber, #29672) [Link]

Yes - plain Qt 5.1/5.2 with an emphasis on QML.

If you want more info get the SDK and try it - it's about a lot more than just Jolla devices so it shouldn't be a waste of time.

FYI it contains a Virtualbox VM which runs a minimal Mer installation with the build/cross tools.
There's another VM which runs an x86 emulator of Sailfish (or Nemo or...)

To jump in front of a common "oh you don't want to do it like that" theme:
Why this approach? Minimal cost to support 'any linux/windows/mac user'.
Is it an optimal use of your 12 core 16Gb quad-ssd dev box - no. Does it do the job? Yes. Is there a 'better' way for serious hackers? Yes.

dsommers posted some good links too, thanks.

also #sailfishos on freenode (or #nemomobile or #mer)

Jolla Review: Some Rough Edges, But This Linux Smartphone Shows Promise (Forbes)

Posted Jan 16, 2014 10:11 UTC (Thu) by tajyrink (subscriber, #2750) [Link]

There's potential to get it fully free (at least to the level of Replicant) by joining the Mer / Nemo efforts. It runs GNU/Linux today, and Nemo has some pretty good UI pieces that are usable already on the N9/N950.

Even though I like Android to an extent, it's very far from an open project. Replicant is one way to go, but it's still very much dependent on what Google decides to put to Android. Mer / Nemo is more familiar to most of us on system level, and uses the non-Android components like Pulseaudio, systemd et cetera. That's why I think it's crucial that there are Mer / Nemo (+ Ubuntu Touch) and they are contributed to, since there's not much else there to stop traditional consumer GNU/Linux from going downwards together with desktop/laptop usage. The future of ~free consumer Linux can be Replicant/CyanogenMod/XDA Developers community, and it's good that all of them exist and do good work, but it's better if there are alternatives.

libhybris and friends make it so that Android transforms back to a board support package (we need the hardware support one or another, every time something is not yet in mainline Linus' kernel), and normal free software innovation and alternative library developments can happen on all other layers as usual.

I would like to see also some crossing of paths, like eventually porting Nemo or Ubuntu UX:s - both made with Qt - to be on top of Android which Qt >= 5.2.0 starts to support quite well.


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