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Another daemon for managing control groups

Posted Jan 3, 2014 21:44 UTC (Fri) by dlang (guest, #313)
In reply to: Another daemon for managing control groups by raven667
Parent article: Another daemon for managing control groups

> The only way they are "killing the competition" is by making a high-quality, feature-rich offering which people want to use, they are out-competing the competition.

not quite, they also campaign to get the competition removed from the distro (or at least the default installation of the distro), rsyslog vs journald in Fedora is an example of this in practice.

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Another daemon for managing control groups

Posted Jan 3, 2014 21:48 UTC (Fri) by mchapman (subscriber, #66589) [Link] (3 responses)

> they also campaign to get the competition removed from the distro (or at least the default installation of the distro)

Is that so surprising? Clearly they think they have a better solution. They *should* be campaigning for it, if that's what they really think.

I'm sure distro maintainers are smart enough to judge the various options available on their merits.

Another daemon for managing control groups

Posted Jan 3, 2014 21:54 UTC (Fri) by dlang (guest, #313) [Link] (2 responses)

they can campaign to have their system added, but what's the justification for removing the other option, especially when it can co-exist with theirs and provide capabilities that they don't offer?

Another daemon for managing control groups

Posted Jan 3, 2014 21:59 UTC (Fri) by mchapman (subscriber, #66589) [Link]

> they can campaign to have their system added, but what's the justification for removing the other option, especially when it can co-exist with theirs and provide capabilities that they don't offer?

For Rsyslog in Fedora specifically?

According to the Change page [1]:

1. Less disk and runtime footprint
2. Fewer packages in the default install
3. Faster booting

Now, you can argue whether those are *sufficient* justification for the removal of syslog from the default install. I'm sure people did.

At the end of the day, though, the vote was in that this Change should go ahead.

[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoDefaultSyslog

Another daemon for managing control groups

Posted Jan 3, 2014 22:02 UTC (Fri) by raven667 (guest, #5198) [Link]

But they haven't removed rsyslog, and in fact rsyslog is required if you want to do central logging using syslog, systemd and the journal will pass through log messages to it. What they aren't doing is installing both logging systems by default. There is also no default sendmail in Fedora either.

Other distros make different decisions but rsyslog integration is still an important part of the journal, heck its even an important part of rsyslog which added support for the journal on-disk data format as I recall.