Ransom Love's Linuxworld 2000 Keynote Speech Posted Nov 11, 2003 14:37 UTC (Tue) by NZheretic (guest, #409) [Link] (2 responses) In August 2000, just days after Caldera purchased the Old SCO server division, the then CEO of Caldera, Ransom Love, made a keynote speech at LinuxWorld 2000. A RealPlayer video stream of the event can be found at DrDobbs Journal's Technetcast . in the question and answer session at the end of the keynote (44:30 minutes into the videostream), Love was asked about the possible confict over Monterey and Linux AI-64. ( A mp3 capture of the transcribed portion ) Q: What happens about Project Monterey, because that conflicts with the IA-64 Linux, 64-bit Linux? Love: OK. I don't -- if we do our job right in making Linux scale over like UnixWare to the degree that everybody, that we know we can... May I ask, some people have said, "Well, people have tried this in the past, but they haven't been that successful," may I suggest: we don't have any ulterior motives for not making it successful. Technologically has not been the reason why it hasn't done it before. There's always some other motive, right? And so to talk about Monterey, clearly we want to make sure we have the same level of Linux integration on Monterey that we would have in our Unixware product. Now, we don't control, I mean, we have a great relationship... it's a joint development relationship with IBM which we intend to preserve... but they have similar interests and so this is really a very synergistic, uh, this transaction is great for all of the major partners as they have already wanted to embrace Linux moving forward. Now, let me address one other aspect of your question, which is that the Monterey Project is in conflict with the IA-64 Linux Project. I don't believe it's in conflict at all. Now, clearly, we have tremendous vested interest in the IA-64 Linux Project and with the acquisition of SCO, they've been doing a lot, so you combine those, and we've got one of the more comprehensive offerings, I believe, on the IA-64 Linux. So that's clearly an area that we're very committed to. But like Unixware, there's elements of the Monterey kernel that are more scalable, OK? Now, on the IA-64 platform, I don't know how long of window that is, but today, it's a little bit more robust and more scalable than the IA-64 Linux is today. Now, I'm not saying that over time that won't change. But, and let me address one other thing. Sorry, (laughs) you're getting all of it through one question. But clearly we are going to add components back to the Linux kernel on both IA-32 and IA-64 platforms. We'll work with Linus and everyone in order to make that available. That will take some time. And as I mentioned earlier, I don't know that over time you can have a single kernel -- in fact I know you can't -- that will scale, you know, the breadth of IT technology needs. So I think we're looking, in the Linux community, at having multiple kernels, so... Q: Multiple Linux kernels? Or multiple UNIX kernels? Love: Multiple Linux kernels as well, over time. Q: Thank you. Love: You bet. By August 2003, the best of the improvements made from the IA-64 tree were merged with the 2.5 kernel to the point where ia64 linux builds out of Linus' tree . A single merged branch of the Linux kernel provides a single source for building kernels for everything from smallish embedded systems to desktops to multiSMP mega servers. That merged tree includes many of the improvements that SCO and Caldera employees directly contributed to the development of enterprise scale Linux, before, during and after Caldera made it's purchase of SCO's Unix division. The window has closed, Linux has already surpassed the old AT&T sourced Unix line. Incoherent Posted Nov 11, 2003 17:08 UTC (Tue) by ncm (guest, #165) [Link] (1 responses) What an astonishingly incoherent series of paragraphs, worthy of the Bush Sr. when he was on Haldol. We all get flustered sometimes, and we're lucky when there's no tape rolling at the time. Still, it would be hard to make this snippet into evidence for anything other than that Love was very upset, confused, or conflicted about the (doomed) state of the Monterey project. Just listen to the MP3, watch the video, view the evidence Posted Nov 11, 2003 21:02 UTC (Tue) by NZheretic (guest, #409) [Link] Ransom Love might sound a bit flustered, however in no way does he sound either confused or incoherent in answering the question. Ransom Love joins Progeny board Posted Nov 12, 2003 9:08 UTC (Wed) by error27 (subscriber, #8346) [Link] I always thought that Ransom Love was the reason Caldera did so poorly. He was constantly saying negative things about the GPL and the Linux community. The way I see it, if you are legally obligated to distribute your product under the GPL you should tell your customers that A) you love the GPL, B) you would distribute the code even if you weren't legally obligated to, and C) they will love the GPL too. Frankly, to me, a Linux vendor complaining about the GPL is like a restuarant owner complaining about hygiene laws.Also if you are the CEO of a Linux company, and it occurs to you that the Linux community is a bunch of smelly teenagers, don't post that on slashdot. Keeping your mouth shut doesn't cost anything, and perhaps a Linux user will spend his paper route money to buy your software.
Posted Nov 11, 2003 14:37 UTC (Tue) by NZheretic (guest, #409) [Link] (2 responses)
Q: What happens about Project Monterey, because that conflicts with the IA-64 Linux, 64-bit Linux? Love: OK. I don't -- if we do our job right in making Linux scale over like UnixWare to the degree that everybody, that we know we can... May I ask, some people have said, "Well, people have tried this in the past, but they haven't been that successful," may I suggest: we don't have any ulterior motives for not making it successful. Technologically has not been the reason why it hasn't done it before. There's always some other motive, right? And so to talk about Monterey, clearly we want to make sure we have the same level of Linux integration on Monterey that we would have in our Unixware product. Now, we don't control, I mean, we have a great relationship... it's a joint development relationship with IBM which we intend to preserve... but they have similar interests and so this is really a very synergistic, uh, this transaction is great for all of the major partners as they have already wanted to embrace Linux moving forward. Now, let me address one other aspect of your question, which is that the Monterey Project is in conflict with the IA-64 Linux Project. I don't believe it's in conflict at all. Now, clearly, we have tremendous vested interest in the IA-64 Linux Project and with the acquisition of SCO, they've been doing a lot, so you combine those, and we've got one of the more comprehensive offerings, I believe, on the IA-64 Linux. So that's clearly an area that we're very committed to. But like Unixware, there's elements of the Monterey kernel that are more scalable, OK? Now, on the IA-64 platform, I don't know how long of window that is, but today, it's a little bit more robust and more scalable than the IA-64 Linux is today. Now, I'm not saying that over time that won't change. But, and let me address one other thing. Sorry, (laughs) you're getting all of it through one question. But clearly we are going to add components back to the Linux kernel on both IA-32 and IA-64 platforms. We'll work with Linus and everyone in order to make that available. That will take some time. And as I mentioned earlier, I don't know that over time you can have a single kernel -- in fact I know you can't -- that will scale, you know, the breadth of IT technology needs. So I think we're looking, in the Linux community, at having multiple kernels, so... Q: Multiple Linux kernels? Or multiple UNIX kernels? Love: Multiple Linux kernels as well, over time. Q: Thank you. Love: You bet.
Love: OK. I don't -- if we do our job right in making Linux scale over like UnixWare to the degree that everybody, that we know we can... May I ask, some people have said, "Well, people have tried this in the past, but they haven't been that successful," may I suggest: we don't have any ulterior motives for not making it successful. Technologically has not been the reason why it hasn't done it before. There's always some other motive, right? And so to talk about Monterey, clearly we want to make sure we have the same level of Linux integration on Monterey that we would have in our Unixware product. Now, we don't control, I mean, we have a great relationship... it's a joint development relationship with IBM which we intend to preserve... but they have similar interests and so this is really a very synergistic, uh, this transaction is great for all of the major partners as they have already wanted to embrace Linux moving forward.
Now, let me address one other aspect of your question, which is that the Monterey Project is in conflict with the IA-64 Linux Project. I don't believe it's in conflict at all. Now, clearly, we have tremendous vested interest in the IA-64 Linux Project and with the acquisition of SCO, they've been doing a lot, so you combine those, and we've got one of the more comprehensive offerings, I believe, on the IA-64 Linux. So that's clearly an area that we're very committed to. But like Unixware, there's elements of the Monterey kernel that are more scalable, OK? Now, on the IA-64 platform, I don't know how long of window that is, but today, it's a little bit more robust and more scalable than the IA-64 Linux is today. Now, I'm not saying that over time that won't change.
But, and let me address one other thing. Sorry, (laughs) you're getting all of it through one question. But clearly we are going to add components back to the Linux kernel on both IA-32 and IA-64 platforms. We'll work with Linus and everyone in order to make that available. That will take some time. And as I mentioned earlier, I don't know that over time you can have a single kernel -- in fact I know you can't -- that will scale, you know, the breadth of IT technology needs. So I think we're looking, in the Linux community, at having multiple kernels, so...
Q: Multiple Linux kernels? Or multiple UNIX kernels?
Love: Multiple Linux kernels as well, over time.
Q: Thank you.
Love: You bet.
That merged tree includes many of the improvements that SCO and Caldera employees directly contributed to the development of enterprise scale Linux, before, during and after Caldera made it's purchase of SCO's Unix division.
The window has closed, Linux has already surpassed the old AT&T sourced Unix line.
Incoherent Posted Nov 11, 2003 17:08 UTC (Tue) by ncm (guest, #165) [Link] (1 responses) What an astonishingly incoherent series of paragraphs, worthy of the Bush Sr. when he was on Haldol. We all get flustered sometimes, and we're lucky when there's no tape rolling at the time. Still, it would be hard to make this snippet into evidence for anything other than that Love was very upset, confused, or conflicted about the (doomed) state of the Monterey project. Just listen to the MP3, watch the video, view the evidence Posted Nov 11, 2003 21:02 UTC (Tue) by NZheretic (guest, #409) [Link] Ransom Love might sound a bit flustered, however in no way does he sound either confused or incoherent in answering the question.
Posted Nov 11, 2003 17:08 UTC (Tue) by ncm (guest, #165) [Link] (1 responses)
Just listen to the MP3, watch the video, view the evidence Posted Nov 11, 2003 21:02 UTC (Tue) by NZheretic (guest, #409) [Link] Ransom Love might sound a bit flustered, however in no way does he sound either confused or incoherent in answering the question.
Posted Nov 11, 2003 21:02 UTC (Tue) by NZheretic (guest, #409) [Link]
Posted Nov 12, 2003 9:08 UTC (Wed) by error27 (subscriber, #8346) [Link]
The way I see it, if you are legally obligated to distribute your product under the GPL you should tell your customers that A) you love the GPL, B) you would distribute the code even if you weren't legally obligated to, and C) they will love the GPL too. Frankly, to me, a Linux vendor complaining about the GPL is like a restuarant owner complaining about hygiene laws.
Also if you are the CEO of a Linux company, and it occurs to you that the Linux community is a bunch of smelly teenagers, don't post that on slashdot. Keeping your mouth shut doesn't cost anything, and perhaps a Linux user will spend his paper route money to buy your software.
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