Using Info from User Space? [LWN.net]

Using Info from User Space?

Posted Nov 3, 2013 15:14 UTC (Sun) by raven667 (guest, #5198)
In reply to: Using Info from User Space? by dlang
Parent article: The power-aware scheduling mini-summit

I think that the point is that the tradeoff is usually the path which finishes faster is also the path which uses the least power, because the system can stop using power as soon as it finishes its work so faster is better, from a power management perspective. So the trade off is that you can power two cores and take 10% longer, or power up four cores, use higher power in the short term, finish fast, then shut them all off and save power.

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Using Info from User Space?

Posted Nov 3, 2013 15:23 UTC (Sun) by raven667 (guest, #5198) [Link]

I am also going to add that latency is a big part of this calculation. As you correctly point out, keeping the processing core hotted up reduces latency for new work that is unknown to the scheduler. The finish fast theory is all about latency too, what is the latency of powering up more cores to add capacity versus just running on the cores which are already active, which way will finish first and return to a lower power state the fastest. The schedule can guesstimate this for work it knows about, although interrupt driven work has different properties.

Using Info from User Space?

Posted Nov 3, 2013 16:58 UTC (Sun) by dlang (guest, #313) [Link]

It's not as simple as you are painting it.

it's not just the cores that need to be powered, it's the cache and other aspects of the chip.

it's not powering up two cores to get it done, or four cores to get it done in half the time.

it's powering up two cores and one set of cache, or powering up two cores and two sets of cache to get done 10% faster

from a strict power budget, powering one set of cache and taking 10% longer is probably a win, but is the user willing to sacrifice the performance?

and there are also secondary effects, the speed that you have the CPU set to run may impact the video performance, and if you have the user running something very demanding on the GPU, should you slow down the CPU (and therefor the GPU) to save power or not?

these are decisions that the kernel cannot make on it's own, because it doesn't know the user's priorities.