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Toward healthy paranoia

Toward healthy paranoia

Posted Sep 17, 2013 9:26 UTC (Tue) by renox (subscriber, #23785)
In reply to: Toward healthy paranoia by hummassa
Parent article: Toward healthy paranoia

>Every single anti-GPL (v3, v2 or whatever) argument I have seen (here or outside) is possible to be distilled to "I don't like RMS". It was so twenty years ago, ten years ago, and it still is nowadays.

Apparently, you didn't look very thoroughly.. The 'anti-tivoization' clause of the GPLv3 is quite controversial, for example Linus Torvalds doesn't like it, would you claim that he "doesn't like RMS"?

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Toward healthy paranoia

Posted Sep 17, 2013 12:39 UTC (Tue) by hummassa (subscriber, #307) [Link]

I am a strong defender of many things Torvalds, but, yes, he is harshly anti-RMS, albeit one of the most rational ones.

For instance, Linus says that the GPL and the LGPL are more or less the same, because linking does not make a derivative work, and AFAICT he is absolutely right.

OTOH, the "tivoization" stance was a pragmatic one -- Tivo was one of the first all-out many-consumers device and the use of locking bootloaders killed the possibly thriving modifications market. So, while Linus was right (because Tivo could, at any moment, choose to go with some BSD or even with XNU) he was also anti-RMS and anti-software-freedom.

One can be "I don't like RMS" for pragmatic reasons. It does not make it good for software freedom. Apple does not like RMS because Apple likes to maintain control, and RMS/FSF/GNU/GPL is all about relinquishing control downstream AND guaranteeing that control would stay downstream.

Toward healthy paranoia

Posted Sep 17, 2013 19:13 UTC (Tue) by dlang (subscriber, #313) [Link]

hmm, I've been running modified tivos for over a decade now

Toward healthy paranoia

Posted Sep 18, 2013 0:14 UTC (Wed) by hummassa (subscriber, #307) [Link]

recent-model tivos with modified kernels?

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