Feds put heat on Web firms for master encryption keys (CNET) [LWN.net]

Feds put heat on Web firms for master encryption keys (CNET)

Posted Jul 25, 2013 6:08 UTC (Thu) by dakas (guest, #88146)
In reply to: Feds put heat on Web firms for master encryption keys (CNET) by dlang
Parent article: Feds put heat on Web firms for master encryption keys (CNET)

Well, there was a vote in congress just now on a law trying to keep the NSA from spiralling further out of control.

It actually failed with a rather small margin. Unfortunately, that's probably the peak of what to expect. Now that the NSA knows the names of their opponents, they can start blackmailing them with what they "legally" know of their private lives and communications.

Expect a few "discoveries" of high-level anti-government "conspiracies" that are thwarted by the virtuous work of the NSA soonish. Putting one or two on the block should be enough to get a few dozen back into line.

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Feds put heat on Web firms for master encryption keys (CNET)

Posted Jul 25, 2013 6:56 UTC (Thu) by jezuch (subscriber, #52988) [Link] (1 responses)

I'm afraid you're right with that prediction. The USA is sliding towards a totalitarian police state at an alarming pace. Looks like the Cold War was won by the Soviet Union, after all... From the perspective of a resident of a post-communist country it's actually fun to watch... except that in today's global world and with USA controlling the majority of (and, as this article suggests, quite literally the keys to) the Internet, it's very, very unpleasant - and dangerous.

Feds put heat on Web firms for master encryption keys (CNET)

Posted Jul 25, 2013 22:56 UTC (Thu) by wahern (subscriber, #37304) [Link]

bzzz, you lose: slippery slope arguments are invariably histrionic.. and wrong.

The USA has been in far worse straits. We used to mow down protestors handing out leaflets. Once upon a time (e.g. before 1950) our free speech rights were regularly, and legally, suppressed, often with sanctioned violence and murder at all levels of government. Once upon a time government could suppress speech based only on a rational government interest--the very least restrictive judicial scrutiny. But it got better.

There's no reason to think that privacy protections cannot get better. But if history is any guide, if it does get better it'll be a long hard slog, and hyperbole isn't going to help. It will take a committed and sustained effort, and we need to tirelessly propose and test various philosophical arguments for why privacy matters. It wasn't until Justices Holmes and Brandeis proposed the "marketplace of ideas" concept did the country really see a role and function of free speech which could rightfully withstand government intrusions.

* FWIW, "marketplace of ideas" had a social darwinism aspect. It intimated that without being subject to vigorous public debate, the "good" ideas like capitalism and patriotism would become weak and wither away, and so the way to protect the good ideas was to prevent the government from coddling them. This is what united conservative and liberal thought behind the idea of strong free speech protections. We need a similar meme which persuasively explains why privacy should be respected.

Feds put heat on Web firms for master encryption keys (CNET)

Posted Jul 29, 2013 14:04 UTC (Mon) by njwhite (guest, #51848) [Link]

> Expect a few "discoveries" of high-level anti-government "conspiracies" that are thwarted by the virtuous work of the NSA soonish. Putting one or two on the block should be enough to get a few dozen back into line.

There has been an interestingly sharp rise in news stories about paedophiles / terrorists / other unsavouries using tor and similar in the UK press since the Snowden leaks. They are largely news-free scare stories, and I doubt their timing is mere coincidence. The government here have also started pushing for lots more censorship of the Internet. Scary times ahead.