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Wayland explanations are STILL confusing and worrying users

Wayland explanations are STILL confusing and worrying users

Posted Jun 18, 2013 12:09 UTC (Tue) by daniels (subscriber, #16193)
In reply to: Wayland explanations are STILL confusing and worrying users by nix
Parent article: The Wayland Situation: Facts About X vs. Wayland (Phoronix)

Kristian's rolling-hash implementation of remote Wayland is _specifically designed_ for scrolling content, be it text or images. Have a look at:
http://people.freedesktop.org/~krh/rolling-hash/f8.png
http://people.freedesktop.org/~krh/rolling-hash/f9.png
http://people.freedesktop.org/~krh/rolling-hash/f8-f9-deb...

And then come back and tell me again how no-one working on Wayland cares about terminals, text editors, or scrolling text.

How you've taken from me saying that the overwhelming majority of my day is spent in vim, irssi, Evolution, Evince, or Chrome scrolling huge chunks of text, that I don't care about scrolling text, is honestly beyond me. I'm not comparing scrolling text to xeyes either: I'm saying that even X11 isn't a very efficient protocol for scrolling text, because oddly enough the most efficient protocol for doing that is text-based. Like SSH. Just as X11 is the most efficient protocol for transferring X11 primitives.

I'm done arguing with people who have constructed strawman motives for a strawman protocol, neither of which bear any resemblance whatsoever to reality.


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Wayland explanations are STILL confusing and worrying users

Posted Jun 18, 2013 13:09 UTC (Tue) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

Awesome!

Why on earth didn't you just say that to start with rather than going all sarcastic and contemptuous? All I said was that I couldn't think of an implementation -- that doesn't mean there isn't one.

Wayland explanations are STILL confusing and worrying users

Posted Jun 18, 2013 13:57 UTC (Tue) by daniels (subscriber, #16193) [Link]

I've said it over and over, repeatedly, time after time, in the comments here. But unfortunately people insist on ascribing motivations we don't have to us, while critiquing a design which doesn't exist. Gets pretty tiring after a while, to be told neither myself or Kristian care about text, which is why the hypothetical design the internet has collectively made up for Wayland remoting (despite pointers to the actual design) is deficient. Really, really tiring.

Wayland explanations are STILL confusing and worrying users

Posted Jun 25, 2013 20:31 UTC (Tue) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

That's what happens when you implement impossible magic. People don't realise it could possibly work, so assume it doesn't. :)

Wayland explanations are STILL confusing and worrying users

Posted Jun 18, 2013 13:11 UTC (Tue) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

Kristian's rolling-hash implementation
Oof. So you're still analyzing bitmaps on every scroll to determine that they consist of scrolled text. Cache-ruinous compared to what is currently done. Oh well, at least you're not throwing them over the network.


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