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Ubuntu bug #1 closed

Ubuntu bug #1 closed

Posted Jun 4, 2013 0:36 UTC (Tue) by hummassa (subscriber, #307)
In reply to: Ubuntu bug #1 closed by anselm
Parent article: Ubuntu bug #1 closed

I stopped reading when it became clear that khim has no idea whatsoever of what he's talking about. He is confounding APIs with ABIs amongst other things. Funny thing is that I have Qt3, Qt4 and Qt5 applications installed alongside each other, and they look similar.


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Ubuntu bug #1 closed

Posted Jun 4, 2013 10:04 UTC (Tue) by nye (guest, #51576) [Link]

Go back to posting comments on Youtube.

Ubuntu bug #1 closed

Posted Jun 4, 2013 10:54 UTC (Tue) by hummassa (subscriber, #307) [Link]

> Go back to posting comments on Youtube.

I really thought, at first, nye posted its response to the wrong comment. Funny thing is I never ever commented on Youtube. :-D

Looking for another participation of "nye" in my last twenty or so replies shows that s/he does not exist. Hmm.

Oh, my.

Ubuntu bug #1 closed

Posted Jun 4, 2013 16:55 UTC (Tue) by nye (guest, #51576) [Link]

My point is that your comment was offensive, obnoxious, and wrong, plus there is no point in anyone arguing with you since there's no chance you'll ever change your mind. This is the stereotype of a Youtube comment, and it's a textbook example of why I don't consider LWN worth paying for (ie. the comments significantly detract from the value of the site).

The really annoying this is, when I see people behave in the way they commonly do on LWN, I get emotional and end up just adding to the problem by responding in kind (it seems that rapid escalation is unavoidable in non face-to-face disagreements, for some reason), which makes me feel just as bad about myself as about whoever I'm angry with.

Ubuntu bug #1 closed

Posted Jun 4, 2013 17:10 UTC (Tue) by raven667 (subscriber, #5198) [Link]

> I don't consider LWN worth paying for

I'm sorry you feel that way, may you wish to consider a few points?

- You are paying for the editorial content, the comments are free
- You are under no obligation to read the comments if they provide negative value to you
- If you do wish to read comments, subscribers can filter out users tend to not add value
- Subscriptions are reasonably inexpensive given the quality of the original content (in my opinion)

Ubuntu bug #1 closed

Posted Jun 4, 2013 17:20 UTC (Tue) by jake (editor, #205) [Link]

> the comments significantly detract from the value of the site

sorry you feel that way, but, beyond what raven667 had to say, there's an additional thing to consider: you can turn off comments entirely in the customization under 'My Account'. Do that and you'll never see them again.

jake

Ubuntu bug #1 closed

Posted Jun 4, 2013 18:36 UTC (Tue) by hummassa (subscriber, #307) [Link]

> your comment was offensive, obnoxious, and wrong

Ok. First of all, your "go back to youtube" was as offensive, obnoxious and wrong to me as my "khim does not know what he's talking about" was to you. Maybe more, as it is factually wrong (I never youtube-commented, neither on youtube nor here), really offensive (it translated as "you are puerile and your motivations are evil and/or stupid", something that does not correspond to the way I behave myself online but ESPECIALLY on LWN) and extremely obnoxious (as you wouldn't indignfy yourself telling me what was that I wrote that offended/bothered you and why am I factually wrong).

Moreso, khim *is* factually wrong in lots of thing he says in this thread, for instance: it's his point of view that package management tools (in his parlance "RPM/APT") somehow magically cause people to want to introduce ABI incompatibilities and that Windows DLL hell is a good solution.

He is especially wrong when he rants:

>> Not with RPM/APT per se, no. But the attitude of RPM/APT users (distribution packers) when they are confronted with the need to keep bazillion old libraries and kludges needed to keep backward compatibility? Absolutely no for bundled libraries! Old, obsolete versions are not acceptable! Kill them! Kill them with fire! Conicidently this attitude also kills all the chances for the third-party developers support and thus mainstream acceptance.

Because there is nothing in any distribution I ever used that precludes the usage of older versions of APIs, especially alongside new ones. That is why, in my comment, I said (informatively IMHO) that I use Qt[345] applications as seamlessly as possible.

> there is no point in anyone arguing with you since there's no chance you'll ever change your mind

There are actually lots of documented occasions, especially here on LWN, where I was wrong and I conceded that I was wrong, and where I changed my mind after someone took its time to argue their views with me. So, I am pretty sure there would be a point in it, if you were so inclined.

One example would be: https://lwn.net/Articles/529887/ -- where I ended with "so I stand corrected!".

On that note, I stand corrected of my "nye does not exist" comment, because, in the process of looking better for examples on LWN, I found you -- and some very amiable interchanges between you and me here on LWN. Which, obviously, add to my confusion relative to your irritation with me.

> This is the stereotype of a Youtube comment, and it's a textbook example of why I don't consider LWN worth paying for (ie. the comments significantly detract from the value of the site)

This phrase gives me the impression that you are reading different comments that I am reading, or at least that you are reading them differently. Yes, it is annoying when some LWN users go commenting on an "opposite side" article (e.g., {Gtk,Gnome,Apache OpenOffice,Emacs,Btrfs}-people ranting on unrelated-to-them {Qt,KDE,LibreOffice,Vim,Zfs}-related news "wow, mine is better!"). But these are a minority, and easily avoidable IMHO.

In any case, I reviewd my thirty or so last comments, and I think I behave reasonably well (*), so, my conscience is clean.

(*) I think jake (or would it be corbet?) gave me a hard time for a comment some days ago, but I can't seem to find it, and I distinctly remember apologizing for it.


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