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Ubuntu bug #1 closed

Ubuntu bug #1 closed

Posted May 30, 2013 22:20 UTC (Thu) by ccchips (subscriber, #3222)
In reply to: Ubuntu bug #1 closed by geuder
Parent article: Ubuntu bug #1 closed

I certainly hope not! I'm a musician, and I have yet to see anything on Android that would draw me away from using a decently-powered computer and desktop. Also, it seems to me that there is still 'way too much hardware fragmentation in the Android world; in the desktop world, I can install almost any OS I want on almost any Intel-based system, whereas in Android, with very few exceptions, I can install only the Android I was given by the manufacturer if they even bother to produce one at all, or just throw the thing away if the Android on it fails for some reason.

Also, I'm appalled at the immaturity of some of the Android software I have seen, and amazed that anyone would *charge money* for it!

Then there's the keyboard-and-mouse issue. Sure, it's fun to swipe a finger around, and some people may find it easy and interesting to type on a "virtual keyboard," but let's see a typist go at 100+ WPM on one of those things, *without looking at that virtual keyboard.* There needs to be consistent, mature support for both keyboard and mouse in Androad.

Until all of these problems are addressed, I'm here at the Linux desktop, where I can get some work done. Then I'll go to my Android tablet and curl up with a good book...


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Ubuntu bug #1 closed

Posted May 30, 2013 23:10 UTC (Thu) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link]

I'm a musician, and I have yet to see anything on Android that would draw me away from using a decently-powered computer and desktop.

Now you are talking just as serious CAD (or 3D modelling) users talked about 30 years ago. Don't worry: you are safe for 5-10 years yet. AutoCAD for Unix ceased to exist about 20 years ago :-)

Also, it seems to me that there is still 'way too much hardware fragmentation in the Android world; in the desktop world, I can install almost any OS I want on almost any Intel-based system, whereas in Android, with very few exceptions, I can install only the Android I was given by the manufacturer if they even bother to produce one at all, or just throw the thing away if the Android on it fails for some reason.

Yup. Exactly the same situation as with MS-DOS 30 years ago: it was basically impossible to use Compaq DOS on IBM PC or IBM DOS on anything except genuine article.

Also, I'm appalled at the immaturity of some of the Android software I have seen, and amazed that anyone would *charge money* for it!

That's because you've not seen (or just forgot?) about times when dBase was seriously sold as DBMS and WordStar generated millions.

Then there's the keyboard-and-mouse issue. Sure, it's fun to swipe a finger around, and some people may find it easy and interesting to type on a "virtual keyboard," but let's see a typist go at 100+ WPM on one of those things, *without looking at that virtual keyboard.* There needs to be consistent, mature support for both keyboard and mouse in Androad.

Sure. But don't forget that Windows 1.0 was actually bundled with mouse because it was basically impossible to buy one in stores!

Until all of these problems are addressed, I'm here at the Linux desktop, where I can get some work done. Then I'll go to my Android tablet and curl up with a good book...

That's fine - if you are Ok with dropping your habits and switching to whatever PC replacement emerges from Android. But if you want to have any say in how said replacement will look like then time for action is now.

"History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme": many minor details can still be changed (and will undoubtedly change), but the general direction is unchangeable at this point.

Ubuntu bug #1 closed

Posted May 31, 2013 2:45 UTC (Fri) by gwolf (subscriber, #14632) [Link]

Yup. Exactly the same situation as with MS-DOS 30 years ago: it was basically impossible to use Compaq DOS on IBM PC or IBM DOS on anything except genuine article.
Hmm, sure on this? My first PC was a Printaform (Mexican reseller of Acer). I am sure to have run on it MS-DOS 2.11 and PC-DOS 3.0 seamlessly. Around 1987.
Sure. But don't forget that Windows 1.0 was actually bundled with mouse because it was basically impossible to buy one in stores!
Again, I disagree. My Microsoft mouse was bundled with Paintbrush and Show Partner. I only came to fiddle with Windows 1.01 some months after getting my mouse. And yes, with two floppy drives, Windows was quite painful to use.
"History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme"
*That* is a quote I expect to steal!

Ubuntu bug #1 closed

Posted May 31, 2013 10:14 UTC (Fri) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link]

Yup. Exactly the same situation as with MS-DOS 30 years ago: it was basically impossible to use Compaq DOS on IBM PC or IBM DOS on anything except genuine article.
Hmm, sure on this? My first PC was a Printaform (Mexican reseller of Acer). I am sure to have run on it MS-DOS 2.11 and PC-DOS 3.0 seamlessly. Around 1987.

Please read what you wrote! 30 years agoAround 1987. That's four years difference, you know. Period of time when MS-DOS system were well and truly incompatible was quite short and turbulent but by the 1987 it was already more-or-less history, you only were able to find traces of it by configure options of various programs which had knobs for "not 100% IBM PC compatible" devices - and it looks like we are already starting to experience the same with Android (here and here, for example).

"History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme"
*That* is a quote I expect to steal!

Don't forget that you are stealing from Mark Twain, not me! This phrase is so famous and well-known that I felt no need to even attribute it…

Ubuntu bug #1 closed

Posted May 31, 2013 13:48 UTC (Fri) by micka (subscriber, #38720) [Link]

Not everybody knows evey quote from Mark Twain.Many people from different part of the world have different cultural references. I only know of two novel name from this man, and not much more (before looking on wikipedia 5 minutes ago, I couldn't even tell which period he lived in).

Ubuntu bug #1 closed

Posted May 31, 2013 21:42 UTC (Fri) by pboddie (guest, #50784) [Link]

After a while, it almost doesn't matter who said what any more:

http://www.banksy.co.uk/indoors/badartists2.html

Certainly, some quotes take on a life of their own.

Ubuntu bug #1 closed

Posted May 31, 2013 5:15 UTC (Fri) by rsidd (subscriber, #2582) [Link]

Yup. Exactly the same situation as with MS-DOS 30 years ago: it was basically impossible to use Compaq DOS on IBM PC or IBM DOS on anything except genuine article.

Not true at all. Having grown up in a country (India) where, in those days, the "genuine article" was a rarity and the market was dominated by local beige-box assemblers, I can attest that quite a few of them did install (pirated) Compaq DOS or IBM PC DOS. Functionally there was no difference between those and MS-DOS.

(Today the market here is dominated by the same multinationals you see in the west -- including Dell, Compaq/HP, Sony, Lenovo, etc -- and many of them supply low-priced, modern laptops pre-installed with FreeDOS. This is obviously an invitation to the user to install a pirated copy of Windows. Why not ship the thing with some form of Linux instead?)


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