User: Password:
|
|
Subscribe / Log in / New account

Whither Gnome 3.8?

Whither Gnome 3.8?

Posted Apr 8, 2013 1:51 UTC (Mon) by hadrons123 (guest, #72126)
In reply to: Whither Gnome 3.8? by madscientist
Parent article: Ubuntu 13.04 (Raring Ringtail) Beta 2 released

ubuntu devs don't think gnome development is co-operating with as much as they want. discussed even in gnome-ML.


(Log in to post comments)

Whither Gnome 3.8?

Posted Apr 8, 2013 2:52 UTC (Mon) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]

Which mailing list? GNOME has dozens. Reference?

Whither Gnome 3.8?

Whither Gnome 3.8?

Posted Apr 8, 2013 10:45 UTC (Mon) by thebluesgnr (guest, #37963) [Link]

Seems like they want to continue to ship what is essentially a fork of GNOME without officially calling it a fork. This indeed makes including the latest versions quite harder.

If Ubuntu shipped with ubuntu-control-center, ubuntu-file-manager, etc, then it'd be much easier for them to not care what GNOME does and it would allow for people that want the intended GNOME experience to actually get it in the form of an Ubuntu image. Just sync your forks with upstream whenever you want to, there's no good reason for this mess. Instead GNOME users and developers continue seeking alternatives.

Whither Gnome 3.8?

Posted Apr 8, 2013 17:50 UTC (Mon) by jspaleta (subscriber, #50639) [Link]

I believe once UnityNext becomes the official Ubuntu UI, then this will effectively be the situation. If Canonical is serious about supporting only one desktop implementation and they are serious about having UnityNext UI be written in qml, then they are going to have to move away from reliance on the GNOME stack, even for the non-UI backend.

End of the day, to really provide a streamlined, lean, controllable, API and SDK, they are going to have to pick a toolkit, a single toolkit, and craft a core platform UI that uses that toolkit.

The creation of UNext, which I've been told is to be official released as part of the 14.04 LTS roll out, will mark the end of Ubuntu as a GNOME derivative, at least for me. It would be absolutely crazy for Canonical to build the qml based UnityNext and still keep a reliance on GNOME in the stack, as GNOME as deeply tied to gtk. Canonical must replace all the borrowed GNOME UI with qml replacements to accomplish what they need to accomplish with UNext. They cannot execute the single platform/multi-device strategy that they've imagineered if their tech is toolkit spaghetti. They've chosen qml, they have to drive qml through their entire core UI.

Canonical is in a weird transitional period right now. The Compiz based Unity UI in 13.04 is essentially a dead-end that is still seeing active development. Odd, but it is what it is. Compiz based Unity is the walking dead. Nobody else outside of Canonical has picked it up to chew on it. For fans of Compiz as a window manager in its own right (ie not running the Unity plugin), it will be interesting to see if Compiz continues on as a project.

The silver lining is once Canonical fully transitions to UNext then the Ubuntu GNOME remix team (which was officially spun up this cycle I belive) will have a much much easier time working closer with GNOME upstream as a downstream distributor. Just like how Kubuntu downstream works with upstream KDE. The 13.04 and 13.10 releases are going to be a bit odd with Compiz Unity still the default Ubuntu experience. There's going to be pressure to keep GNOME components back a rev or more as UCompiz dev winds down and there is less manpower to keep up with GNOME changes there. I expect the 14.04 GNOME remix to be caught up with GNOME release cycles again, because they won't have to make concessions for Unity any longer once UNext is the default and UCompiz is official dead. So the faster UNext gets here, the better off everyone will be really.

-jef

Whither Gnome 3.8?

Posted Apr 8, 2013 19:02 UTC (Mon) by tjc (guest, #137) [Link]

> The creation of UNext, which I've been told is to be official released as part of the 14.04 LTS roll out, will mark the end of Ubuntu as a GNOME derivative, at least for me.

Introducing a new UI stack on an LTS release seems risky. There are going to be a *lot* of updates the first few months of 14.04 if they do that. Going early with 13.10 -- or late with 14.10 -- seems like a better plan.

Whither Gnome 3.8?

Posted Apr 8, 2013 19:13 UTC (Mon) by jspaleta (subscriber, #50639) [Link]

Without disagreement with your risk assessment, I don't think it would be correct to say "introduce" in 14.04. My understanding currently, and this could be wrong, is that the hope is for an installable preview of UNext in the 13.10 timeframe, but it won't be the default Ubuntu desktop UI.

-jef

Whither Gnome 3.8?

Posted Apr 9, 2013 13:27 UTC (Tue) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]

> Introducing a new UI stack on an LTS release seems risky.

This seems to be the pattern for Ubuntu.


Copyright © 2017, Eklektix, Inc.
Comments and public postings are copyrighted by their creators.
Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds