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Mozilla announces 18 carriers supporting Firefox OS

Mozilla announces 18 carriers supporting Firefox OS

Posted Feb 26, 2013 10:47 UTC (Tue) by rsidd (subscriber, #2582)
In reply to: Mozilla announces 18 carriers supporting Firefox OS by khim
Parent article: Mozilla announces 18 carriers supporting Firefox OS

I believe you should read your own links before posting them. From your article (which I've seen before):

In many countries the phones are sold with subsidies, tied to two-year contracts. (Some readers will be surprised to find this is not the case for the majority of the world, where people pay full retail price for their handsets - ie 600 dollars for the iPhone - upfront, but then are not locked to two-year contracts and get far cheaper phone services obviously).
It is that "majority of the world" where Nokia dominated till recently and still sells quite respectably. It is because of the quality of their hardware. You got battery life of several days, sunlight-readable screens, and you could drop it from the first floor and it would still work. (First floor = floor above ground floor)


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Mozilla announces 18 carriers supporting Firefox OS

Posted Feb 26, 2013 10:58 UTC (Tue) by rsidd (subscriber, #2582) [Link]

PS -- yes, the guy does claim, despite the quote above, that Nokia's relation with carriers was key. He says, as far as I can tell, that this is because carrier "support" is needed even when (as in the majority of cases) you buy the handset separately. This is simply not true. First, the market is flooded with cheap no-name Chinese handsets, all of which work fine; people don't think of checking with the carrier first. Second, even today, nobody will even consider questioning whether Nokia will be supported, and no carrier will decline to support Nokia.

Mozilla announces 18 carriers supporting Firefox OS

Posted Feb 26, 2013 11:13 UTC (Tue) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link]

First, the market is flooded with cheap no-name Chinese handsets, all of which work fine

But which still occupy less then 30% of the market. Note that Nokia in 2010 (before it broke relationship with carriers) had 40% while today it has less then 20%.

Second, even today, nobody will even consider questioning whether Nokia will be supported, and no carrier will decline to support Nokia.

It's one thing to decline to support Nokia bought by a geek from some website (even US carriers are not that bold!), it's totally different thing to decline to support Nokia sales pitch. Carriers did that in the last two years and Nokia went from about "40%" to "about 25%" and now to "less then 20%". And in smartphones (where they went from active support to boycott) it went from 34% to 5%. Yes, if you are the market leader even carriers can't kill you quickly. But if you are not… it's different story.

Mozilla announces 18 carriers supporting Firefox OS

Posted Feb 26, 2013 11:00 UTC (Tue) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link]

It is that "majority of the world" where Nokia dominated till recently and still sells quite respectably.

Only because Samsung abandoned this segment entirely. It looks like Samsung have finally decided to seal Nokia's coffin, though. We'll see how it'll work.

Mozilla announces 18 carriers supporting Firefox OS

Posted Feb 26, 2013 11:06 UTC (Tue) by rsidd (subscriber, #2582) [Link]

Er, Samsung sells phones at all price points, and has for a while now. Here in India they've sold cheap phones for years, but only recently have they improved in perception of quality (having captured the high-end market). The cheaper Samsungs didn't run Android until recently, but now they have quite inexpensive Android phones too. But yes, there is plenty of room at the bottom of the market, where the cheap Chinese guys have invaded.

Nokia's Asha mystifies me -- their OS is *worse* than Symbian S60 in many ways (notably, they don't support multitasking, so you can't listen to music and surf the web at the same time -- a thing my 3-year-old Nokia E63 does comfortably.)

Mozilla announces 18 carriers supporting Firefox OS

Posted Feb 26, 2013 11:18 UTC (Tue) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link]

Here in India

Ah, now I see why your worldview is so skewed. In effect you are just as biased as US citizens, just in the opposite direction: in India there are so many carriers that few can seriously affect the market. Both US (where carriers more-or-less control everything) and India (where they have very small power) are an exceptions. Most of the world lies between these two opposite points.

But yes, there is plenty of room at the bottom of the market, where the cheap Chinese guys have invaded.

Apparently not enough to keep Nokia from losses now when it no longer has carrier's support.


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