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How The Linux Foundation and Fedora are Addressing Workstation Security (Linux.com)

How The Linux Foundation and Fedora are Addressing Workstation Security (Linux.com)

Posted Feb 16, 2013 3:39 UTC (Sat) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523)
In reply to: How The Linux Foundation and Fedora are Addressing Workstation Security (Linux.com) by ssmith32
Parent article: How The Linux Foundation and Fedora are Addressing Workstation Security (Linux.com)

Nah, Spender is almost always correct. He certainly produces something of quality (grsecurity) that is usable and has some interesting technical solutions.

However, nix's arguments about spender's attitude are spot on.


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How The Linux Foundation and Fedora are Addressing Workstation Security (Linux.com)

Posted Feb 22, 2013 12:51 UTC (Fri) by ortalo (subscriber, #4654) [Link]

Dah.

We need to break that dichotomy between "users are not interested in security - look I can break their system any day in 2012" and "they found a DoS on my personal worthless phone and want me to stop me from making calls for business for one year - theses security guys are ivory tower idiots". (Note how both statements are equally stupid.)

That dichotomy *is* a problem. Maybe it has been maintained for a long time by people taking advantage of it for their own interest (such as writing reports about how long that single bug took to fix in the kernel, or grabbing budgets for entirely unsecure e-voting machines and other miscellaneous devices).
It has also been maintained by some of our short sightedness. We are culprit of not having studied enough the reasons for the existing disagrement on the level of necessary computer security mechanism in our systems, it deserves more studying.

Stated differently, the day we will say "that performance/usability vs. security debate is over, we know how to decide and agree on such questions (without forking entirely different systems)" - that day we will be able to claim higher security than proprietary systems. And that's doable.

How The Linux Foundation and Fedora are Addressing Workstation Security (Linux.com)

Posted Feb 25, 2013 17:29 UTC (Mon) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

I believe the line was "if you didn't use code written by assholes, your system would not boot". However, that doesn't mean one should go out of one's way to encourage developers in critical positions to be as unpleasant as possible!


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