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LibreOffice 4.0: First Take (ZDNet)

LibreOffice 4.0: First Take (ZDNet)

Posted Feb 13, 2013 2:53 UTC (Wed) by tialaramex (subscriber, #21167)
In reply to: LibreOffice 4.0: First Take (ZDNet) by dlang
Parent article: LibreOffice 4.0: First Take (ZDNet)

More humorous is that it's not usefully "standard" even within the product from that one company.

The core Office applications pre-date Unicode on Windows, and accordingly they have their own esoteric idea of what the relationship is between what the user types, what appears on the user's screen and what should be saved in the document file.

This is most obvious when moving documents between a Mac and a PC, but it happens between PCs as well.

Likewise the spreadsheet "standard" leaves a bunch of things undefined, this was more obvious back when actual real users sometimes had different families of CPUs, but it remains problematic for financial and scientific work where it often turns out that the are undocumented restrictions on the accuracy or repeatability of calculations.

AFAIR the outcome of all this was that Microsoft has itself simply declared that the de jure standard mentioned above is a figment of people's imagination. Only a subset of Office document features are actually supported meaningfully, most of the documents you receive are the MS Office equivalent of foo(x++, x++, x++); in C.


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LibreOffice 4.0: First Take (ZDNet)

Posted Feb 13, 2013 3:04 UTC (Wed) by tialaramex (subscriber, #21167) [Link]

ugh, that should say "the de facto standard" not the "de jure standard" although of course Microsoft did _write_ a de jure standard named ISO 29500, it's just that they've never shipped a real working _implementation_ of that standard, it was written mainly to poison the well.

LibreOffice 4.0: First Take (ZDNet)

Posted Jan 29, 2014 23:26 UTC (Wed) by PacoBell (guest, #95283) [Link]

I thought Office 2013/360 supports exporting to ISO 29500:2008, at least, and possibly ISO 29500:2012.

http://blogs.office.com/2012/08/13/new-file-format-option...

LibreOffice 4.0: First Take (ZDNet)

Posted Feb 13, 2013 5:10 UTC (Wed) by tnoo (subscriber, #20427) [Link]

This "standard" went so far, that Excel formulas were not tranferable between the same software in different languages (no idea whether this is still true today).

For example as SUM would be SUMME in German an SOMME in French... what a nightmare. And people were happily living with this, adapting formulas in docuemnts by hand!

LibreOffice 4.0: First Take (ZDNet)

Posted Feb 14, 2013 8:03 UTC (Thu) by ebirdie (guest, #512) [Link]

>For example as SUM would be SUMME in German an SOMME in French... what a nightmare. And people were happily living with this, adapting formulas in docuemnts by hand!

IT consuming public forgives a lot to the vendor and forgives little to nothing to others offering alternatives. The same goes to IBM and its successor Lenovo. I had to acknowledge this while working in IT management some years ago.


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