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Villa: Pushing back against licensing and the permission culture

Villa: Pushing back against licensing and the permission culture

Posted Jan 30, 2013 2:00 UTC (Wed) by jhardin (guest, #3297)
In reply to: Villa: Pushing back against licensing and the permission culture by khim
Parent article: Villa: Pushing back against licensing and the permission culture

...but if money go[es] to the people who really create [the] music instead, then... what's the problem?
So, absent copyright and its enforcement, how do you ensure that "the people who really create the music" get paid for their creations, so that they keep creating?


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Villa: Pushing back against licensing and the permission culture

Posted Jan 30, 2013 2:32 UTC (Wed) by Trelane (subscriber, #56877) [Link]

> absent copyright and its enforcement, how do you ensure that "the people who really create the music" get paid for their creations, so that they keep creating?

Those are actually two separate questions.

0) How do you ensure the original creators get paid?
1) How do you ensure that the original creators keep creating?

Arguably, question 1) is much more important than 0), as 0) is intended as an inducement toward goal 1). It's also intended as an inducement toward a goal you've not stated, which is

2) How do we ensure more people become creators?

and the ultimate question, which is the complete thrust of everything which is

A) How do we promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts?

i.e. how do we encourage people to make new, easily copied works of art and discoveries, and particularly how do we encourage people to reveal the magic sauce to continue scientific and technological advancement?

Everything we've discussed is for A), which has perhaps familiar phrasing.

Villa: Pushing back against licensing and the permission culture

Posted Jan 30, 2013 18:02 UTC (Wed) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link]

You assume that without copyright no new music will be created. But I observe that lots and lots of music predates the era of copyright (copyright was extended to cover music, too less then 100 years ago, music existed for centuries without copyright!).

We can just look on how it was done before, it's not big deal.

Some other creations were never created in era before copyright (movies and programs, for example), but it's not entirely clear if they need copyright or they only need the technology.

Villa: Pushing back against licensing and the permission culture

Posted Feb 1, 2013 2:17 UTC (Fri) by jjs (guest, #10315) [Link]

The various ways it existed for 90% of the time - note that Shakespeare was a (for his time) wealthy man, even without copyright.

You can demand payment upfront before you publish, or gain a patron, or request donations, or do something else and create in your spare time, or even something else.


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