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Poettering: The Biggest Myths

Poettering: The Biggest Myths

Posted Jan 27, 2013 10:28 UTC (Sun) by ovitters (subscriber, #27950)
In reply to: Poettering: The Biggest Myths by mgb
Parent article: Poettering: The Biggest Myths

grotesque monolith actively being exploited as a power play by its author

You wrote above, don't complain when people question you about it, or say that this is Slashdot style commentary. I also don't understand your response, is it an attempt at a better comment or not?

Now for what you're suggesting, you argue (as I see it) that 1) systemd is monolithic, 2) in evolution, it needs all to be replaced in one go and #3 adopting something can only be done if it can easily be replaced. For #1, suggest to read the article. For #2, just change individual components as needed. For #3, I disagree :P.


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Poettering: The Biggest Myths

Posted Jan 28, 2013 9:02 UTC (Mon) by russell (guest, #10458) [Link]

You really don't understand that the power play comment? Don't be deliberately naive and address the comment directly. He's referring to the way systemd has used it's foot hold as an init system, to then leverage into adjacent software, such as udev and system logging. This is not just creating an integrated system, that would involve just using well defined interfaces. This is a power play to reimplement them "his" way. What is a distro to do now. Take on the new "features" or revert from systemd?

Poettering: The Biggest Myths

Posted Jan 28, 2013 9:17 UTC (Mon) by ovitters (subscriber, #27950) [Link]

Let's go back to the comment again:

grotesque monolith actively being exploited as a power play by its author

And no, I don't see a) why to use grotesque b) why to ignore monolith as this is addressed in the article c) why to use exploited and d) power play

Now you're trying to change this, question why I don't address the comment. However, I did so as best I understood. Furthermore you've stated that I'm deliberate naive? Right, great suggestion there. If you follow the thread you'd see he wondered why people said it was Slashdot style commentary. Read https://lwn.net/Articles/534230/. I exactly addressed this as well.

Ignoring everything like that and suggesting I'm deliberate naive: whatever. And I don't see this power play happening. Suggest that you read all the comments on LWN and in the article because e.g. I can still run syslog, he discusses things with distributions, etc. If you want to continue please at least show that you read the blog or the comments here.

Poettering: The Biggest Myths

Posted Jan 28, 2013 12:50 UTC (Mon) by smurf (subscriber, #17840) [Link]

>> This is a power play to reimplement them "his" way.
>> What is a distro to do now.

Switch to systemd. Just like, for example, they switched to pulseaudio.

Because, unlike code from certain other people who implemented stuff "their way" (I'm thinking about djb), Lennart's way works. It solves real problems, without stepping on too many other people's feet.

He's matured a lot since the pulseaudio flame wars.

And, hey, OF COURSE it's a powerful ego trip to see your work being used and enhanced and whatnot by so many people. But that's not necessarily bad!

For most people it's a powerful motivator to create even more good stuff.

So what's your problem?

Poettering: The Biggest Myths

Posted Jan 28, 2013 17:06 UTC (Mon) by raven667 (subscriber, #5198) [Link]

> So what's your problem?

Maybe he's a lobster in a bucket, trying to pull the other lobsters down (Thanks Aquabats!)

Poettering: The Biggest Myths

Posted Jan 28, 2013 17:28 UTC (Mon) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523) [Link]

Yup. And Linux is just a power play to expand into the area of version control systems. Linus hated Subversion so much that he created Linux in order to make git popular.

Right?

Poettering: The Biggest Myths

Posted Jan 28, 2013 18:44 UTC (Mon) by apoelstra (subscriber, #75205) [Link]

> Yup. And Linux is just a power play to expand into the area of version control systems. Linus hated Subversion so much that he created Linux in order to make git popular.

Actually, he probably does hate subversion enough to have done that. :)

Poettering: The Biggest Myths

Posted Jan 29, 2013 11:19 UTC (Tue) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

No no no, he hated *CVS* enough to do that. And this was an entirely rational attitude.


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