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Quotes of the week

Posted Jan 8, 2013 22:14 UTC (Tue) by mjg59 (subscriber, #23239)
In reply to: Quotes of the week by mirabilos
Parent article: Quotes of the week

You're not lying about your belief that there's no problem. You're just not seeing it, and then assuming that you can't see it it's not there. I don't think you're likely to engage in overtly sexist behaviour, and I doubt that most of the people you work with are either. But the problem isn't so much the individual acts of overtly sexist behaviour. Low level sexism is still endemic in society as a whole (advertising may well be less sexist than it was in, say, the 60s, but look at the extent to which gender roles are still used to sell things), and even if you're actively aware of it then you *will* occasionally find yourself interacting with a stereotype of a person rather than the person themselves.

I'm not calling you sexist. I'm not calling any of the people you associate with sexist. I'm saying that you (like everyone, including me) will engage in occasional acts of sexist behaviour, and unless you're able to see that this is what's happening it provides an environment where people feel safe in engaging in overtly sexist acts.

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Posted Jan 9, 2013 12:03 UTC (Wed) by dgm (subscriber, #49227) [Link]

> You're not lying about your belief that there's no problem. You're just not seeing it

If he's not seeing it, then there's no problem "over here" as he said, period. I can attest that it's the same in the circles I move (meaning: all the people I know in person).

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Posted Jan 10, 2013 8:34 UTC (Thu) by ekj (guest, #1524) [Link]

I have to disagree with that, or else I'm misunderstanding you.

Are you really saying that if some person does not see a problem, then this by itself is proof that no problem exists ?

It is true that sexism is far from constant, and I agree with the assessment of others that women clearly aren't rare or considered outsiders by default at CCC, I attended their camp in Berlin a few years back, and though women where a minority, they where not a tiny minority. There was also several women among those leading workshops and giving lectures, and I do think that overall the atmosphere was inclusive and welcoming.

But that's not to say that there was no problems, there sure was. Was there *less* of a problem than in many other locations and environments ? Yes ! Was there "no problem" ? No !

I'm pretty sure that's true globally. Levels of problems vary wildly, yes, but I don't think it's plausible that there's anywhere where it's a fair description to say "problem solved".

And I say that coming from one of the countries on the planet that consistently score top on equal rights.

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