Quotes of the week
Posted Jan 8, 2013 20:55 UTC (Tue) by mjg59 (subscriber, #23239)
There are documented cases of sexist behaviour at CCC. The only way you can ignore them is to classify the victims as oversensitive, and then you have to come up with an argument for why women are so much more oversensitive than men are without compromising your claimed freedom from sexism.
Posted Jan 8, 2013 21:36 UTC (Tue) by mirabilos (subscriber, #84359)
Actually, I don’t want to know. I don’t want to discuss on this endlessly. And feel free to not read the Quotes of the Week any more if you don’t like them. This is generally recommended, e.g. with Fanfic: don’t like, don’t read; but especially, don’t flame.
Posted Jan 8, 2013 21:39 UTC (Tue) by mjg59 (subscriber, #23239)
Posted Jan 8, 2013 21:44 UTC (Tue) by mirabilos (subscriber, #84359)
I’ll now shut up and hack. I’ve got better to do than this. And I suggest you do, too. Just, dear LWN editor, keep us the quotes.
Posted Jan 8, 2013 21:51 UTC (Tue) by mjg59 (subscriber, #23239)
Posted Jan 8, 2013 21:58 UTC (Tue) by mirabilos (subscriber, #84359)
You know, that sole statement of yours is enough to ridicule yourself. I used to take statements of yours, like the tytso thing, serious (although I did check the sources), but now, I cannot take anything you say serious any more.
“You've just all deluded yourselves into thinking it is.” is accusing me of lying and an unasked-for ad-hominem attack (not just at me but also at my friends, from a person hundreds of kilometres away who even CANNOT know). It just shows you’re… psychic, in lack of a better English word for what I wanted to say. Obsessed, maybe. I don’t even *want* to know why, but this says enough.
End of thread, now definitely. I see no reason to talk with you.
Posted Jan 8, 2013 22:14 UTC (Tue) by mjg59 (subscriber, #23239)
I'm not calling you sexist. I'm not calling any of the people you associate with sexist. I'm saying that you (like everyone, including me) will engage in occasional acts of sexist behaviour, and unless you're able to see that this is what's happening it provides an environment where people feel safe in engaging in overtly sexist acts.
Posted Jan 9, 2013 12:03 UTC (Wed) by dgm (subscriber, #49227)
If he's not seeing it, then there's no problem "over here" as he said, period. I can attest that it's the same in the circles I move (meaning: all the people I know in person).
Posted Jan 10, 2013 8:34 UTC (Thu) by ekj (guest, #1524)
Are you really saying that if some person does not see a problem, then this by itself is proof that no problem exists ?
It is true that sexism is far from constant, and I agree with the assessment of others that women clearly aren't rare or considered outsiders by default at CCC, I attended their camp in Berlin a few years back, and though women where a minority, they where not a tiny minority. There was also several women among those leading workshops and giving lectures, and I do think that overall the atmosphere was inclusive and welcoming.
But that's not to say that there was no problems, there sure was. Was there *less* of a problem than in many other locations and environments ? Yes ! Was there "no problem" ? No !
I'm pretty sure that's true globally. Levels of problems vary wildly, yes, but I don't think it's plausible that there's anywhere where it's a fair description to say "problem solved".
And I say that coming from one of the countries on the planet that consistently score top on equal rights.
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