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Distribution quotes of the week

Distribution quotes of the week

Posted Nov 29, 2012 12:27 UTC (Thu) by dgm (subscriber, #49227)
In reply to: Distribution quotes of the week by cesarb
Parent article: Distribution quotes of the week

It's not a problem with stacks, but with numbers. Lennart implies that being used by more distros means that systemd is "more standard" (my words, not his) than Upstart. Another completely fair argument would be that the number of distros is irrelevant, and instead it's the number or users what counts, and thus Ubuntu probably wins.

Because there's no mention of any option of sharing interface between both Upstart and systemd, I conclude that this feature will cause a fracture between the two contenders. And apparently both are to blame for that. It's like GNOME vs KDE all over again, only on init space.

The Linux world is full of such fractures: RPM vs deb vs anything else is just another example.


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Distribution quotes of the week

Posted Nov 29, 2012 14:37 UTC (Thu) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]

If you are counting number of users in the desktop maybe but if you are counting in other segments, RHEL and rebuilds like CentOS are used far far more and if you round up all the distros using systemd as default now and in their next releases, including RHEL 7, systemd wins.

Strategically speaking, what the major distros are using is very important since development of other components are going to be affected by that and unless you have the resources to manage everything on your own, you should seriously look into aligning with them unless the cost of moving over is too high and in that case, interface compatibility would be a good thing to shoot for. This goes beyond just systemd of course as hinted in the blog post.

Distribution quotes of the week

Posted Nov 29, 2012 17:02 UTC (Thu) by dlang (subscriber, #313) [Link]

This is assuming that RHEL7 actually ships with systemd, and that everyone who uses older versions upgrades.

Given the huge volume of users who are still running RHEL5 or older, even almost two years after RHEL6 has come out, counting all RHEL6 and earlier users as 'systemd users' is misleading at best.

As Microsoft has shown us, just because a company has a huge userbase and has released a new version of their OS doesn't mean that that new OS will become the default everywhere, let alone the default anytime soon.

Distribution quotes of the week

Posted Nov 29, 2012 20:23 UTC (Thu) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]

RHEL 7 coming out with systemd by default isn't a assumption at this point. I wouldn't count all RHEL users but rebuilds do get deployed on newer systems faster than you think but I wasn't asking to count all or any EL users as systemd users. What I am pointing out is the strategic importance of systemd beyond just a mere user count.

Distribution quotes of the week

Posted Dec 2, 2012 21:40 UTC (Sun) by tpo (subscriber, #25713) [Link]

> but if you are counting in other segments, RHEL and rebuilds like
> CentOS are used far far more

Can you show me the numbers and where they come from? If you have them, then it'd be nice if they were clear about whether they are counted under the assumption that the world ends at US borders.
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PS: in my universe most people are using Debian as servers. *Some* very large companies use RH/CentOS, but it's small companies that generate the most revenue, so they possibly comprise the most servers. Smartphones don't use RH. Appliances I don't know, I know some specific ones that do use Debian.

Distribution quotes of the week

Posted Dec 3, 2012 6:05 UTC (Mon) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]

One could accurately tell you the number of active subscriptions that RHEL has but that is internally information for Red Hat and similarly for SUSE. Other than that, no accurate numbers exist for any distribution typically. That are ballpark figures for some community distributions. On the desktop level, Ubuntu is clearly popular but they clearly don't have the lead on the enterprise or server level

* Linux mirrors and download stats from them
* What webhosting administration panel supports including cpanel
* What do the most popular and most widely used webhosting companies offer by default
* What do server ISV's support the most

Do your own research and draw your own conclusions.

Distribution quotes of the week

Posted Dec 3, 2012 7:03 UTC (Mon) by rsidd (subscriber, #2582) [Link]

None of this is in the least relevant! The question is whether the biggest distribution (be it RHEL, Fedora, Ubuntu, or whoever) is allowed, de facto, to "define" the platform. If one distro commanded 90% of the users, clearly that would win, but we aren't there yet. Lennart's suggestion that Ubuntu, by not going along with his vision, is not sharing "the platform", is obnoxious, as is defining "the platform" to include gdm and gnome3.

Below, tpo writes: 'If the biggest desktop distro says "we chose these technologies [systemd, gnome3 etc], and we'll be using them during the next 10 years and we guarantee they will be around during that period", then that'd be different [for proprietary software].' That's what Fedora and Red Hat are aiming at. Best case (for them) -- other distros fall in line. More likely -- proprietary software distributors will continue to package their stuff separately for each distro, but the differences will not just be about dependencies and packaging format, but will involve basic parts of the system.

I'm not a Fedora or RHEL user and am not convinced I will ever want to be one. Not only am I repelled by this needless re-architecting of Unix methods that have worked for decades, but Gnome3 and Unity are so competitively awful that I have just switched to a tiling WM (i3) and don't plan to go back. In this mad and futile rush to win the "desktop" (which was last year's battle -- the world has moved on to mobile devices), RH/Fedora and Ubuntu have both managed to annoy users who just want a working Unix-like system whose parts fit together in easily comprehensible ways and whose configuration can be changed with a text editor.

Distribution quotes of the week

Posted Dec 3, 2012 7:18 UTC (Mon) by dlang (subscriber, #313) [Link]

that may be what RHEL is aiming for, but Fedora is not

At least not unless they are willing to give up the 'leading edge' goal as well, or unless they are so arrogant that they thing that the decisions they will make now are going to be so good that no better decisions will be able to be made in the next 10 years.


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