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Mena-Quintero: A Friday rant on Gnome 3, journalists, and power users

Mena-Quintero: A Friday rant on Gnome 3, journalists, and power users

Posted Nov 12, 2012 13:57 UTC (Mon) by sahko (guest, #54088)
Parent article: Mena-Quintero: A Friday rant on Gnome 3, journalists, and power users

I wonder if Mena-Quintero read this part of the ranting blog:
"For example, Gnome Shell doesn’t support status icons, so GNOME dev ‘mccann’ filed a bug report to a Transmission (BitTorrent client) dev to say that this option should be removed. Why should it be removed? Because Gnome Shell doesn’t support it anymore! Apparently in GNOMEland there are no other desktop environments (remind anyone of Microsoft?) From Don’t use a notification area icon in GNOME 3:

mccann writes:

In the upcoming GNOME 3 we won’t be supporting notification area icons (status icons)…

Transmission has an option in the Desktop tab of the preferences to “Show Transmission icon in the notification area”. This should probably be removed.

charles (developer of Transmission) writes:

So now we can have three builds of Transmission that decide at compile time whether to use AppIndicator, GtkStatusIcon, or nothing at all, over such a stupid feature?

Removing it altogether, as you suggest, will hurt XFCE users.

I wish GNOME, Canonical, and everyone else involved would settle on one consistent API for this and stop fucking the app developers over.

In order for this ticket to move forward, I’d like you to tell me what change should be made to Transmission that will make it work properly, out of the box, on GNOME Shell, Unity, and XFCE.

mccann replies:

I guess you have to decide if you are a GNOME app, an Ubuntu app, or an XFCE app unfortunately. I’m sorry that this is the case but it wasn’t GNOME’s fault that Ubuntu has started this fork. And I have no idea what XFCE is or does sorry.

It is my hope that you are a GNOME app…

We must choose our side. Is this a war? And can we really and seriously believe that one of the main GNOME devs doesn’t know what XFCE is?"

from https://trac.transmissionbt.com/ticket/3685

And how LWN readers feel about this.


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Mena-Quintero: A Friday rant on Gnome 3, journalists, and power users

Posted Nov 12, 2012 17:36 UTC (Mon) by JMB (guest, #74439) [Link]

Nice reminder.
Before GNOME 3 was released, problems were known that developers
would not try to combine different flavours.
Mark Shuttleworth/Canonical got problems, developed Unity (as
they were told to after some citations) and were locked out.
It doesn't matter whose fault that was - the result is talking:
Ubuntu lost popularity - which was harmful for GNOME and other
distros. Mint gained popularity (with GNOME 2 / MATE).
If this would be a war, generals should talk and end it.
There is no need for a special DE in a fixed and sealed design.
We need choices. Not (only) in being able to use another DE,
but changing the appearance (should be up to the distro and user)
and functionality (default being on the distro side, real settings
should be easily done by users - and important and common ones like
"focus follow mouse" should be present from day 1 after released the
first time as a stable release).
GNOME3 and Unity are quite buggy - till that very date
(my impression was Unity is better - but this may change),
options important for many users are lacking - on purpose or due
to lack of manpower ...
The user base gets smaller.
All have lost till now.
Developers should open their mind for interoperability - and put
the branding and `quality' smalltalk aside.
And start to listen what options their users need to efficiently
work under their DE - both have lessons to learn.
The time is running - not in favour of them as shown by the discussion
here.

Mena-Quintero: A Friday rant on Gnome 3, journalists, and power users

Posted Nov 12, 2012 22:56 UTC (Mon) by bojan (subscriber, #14302) [Link]

> I guess you have to decide if you are a GNOME app, an Ubuntu app, or an XFCE app unfortunately. I’m sorry that this is the case but it wasn’t GNOME’s fault that Ubuntu has started this fork. And I have no idea what XFCE is or does sorry.

And we all thought one could be a freedesktop app...

Mena-Quintero: A Friday rant on Gnome 3, journalists, and power users

Posted Nov 13, 2012 12:10 UTC (Tue) by Rehdon (guest, #45440) [Link]

What, and dilute the "brand"? and let other people enjoy free software? No way! better, you got to choose between the GNOME way or the highway. Is it insulting someone say that this smacks of rotten arrogance?

The "I have no idea what XFCE is or does sorry" quip is also particularly ludicrous.

Rehdon

Mena-Quintero: A Friday rant on Gnome 3, journalists, and power users

Posted Nov 13, 2012 15:05 UTC (Tue) by ccchips (subscriber, #3222) [Link]

When I read stuff like this, it seems things have gone horribly wrong in desktop land.

Do any of the people responsible for Gnome/Unity development bother to take note of the fact that people would rather use Mate than lose features that are important to them? Anyone at any of these organizations bother to ask *why* there are notification icons in the first place?

I'm almost entirely blind. Will Gnome 3 notify me about what's happening on my desktop by voice? At least with Mate, I know *where* I can find notifications!


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