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Hey Phoronix!

Hey Phoronix!

Posted Nov 12, 2012 7:18 UTC (Mon) by Del- (guest, #72641)
In reply to: Hey Phoronix! by mjg59
Parent article: Mena-Quintero: A Friday rant on Gnome 3, journalists, and power users

He makes a living from the clicks, not from writing e-mails. You did get the message didn't you? So what exactly do you complain about, that he should have shown courtesy? That he should have been more polite? Do you find your post here in this heated sub-thread any more polite? Pointing fingers is a risky sport, at least three of them tend to point back to one self.

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Hey Phoronix!

Posted Nov 12, 2012 7:29 UTC (Mon) by mjg59 (subscriber, #23239) [Link]

He didn't report the issue. I'm not complaining, merely pointing out a fact.

Hey Phoronix!

Posted Nov 12, 2012 8:41 UTC (Mon) by Del- (guest, #72641) [Link]

Hm, I see, there is a play of words with respect to reports. With reports, I obviously meant reporting on the web-site, which is where he makes a living. I think we all should be glad he doesn't spend substantial amounts of time on bug trackers. I do on the other hand, but then again I have an employer paying me, and it is part of my core activity as well as my hobby. Big difference.

Hey Phoronix!

Posted Nov 12, 2012 11:28 UTC (Mon) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

Ah. So, he finds problems and makes click-money out of them, but doesn't report them to the actual maintainers to be fixed (or even upstream distro bugtrackers) the way everyone else does? He is *special* and all maintainers of everything must check *his* site in case he's started yelling about a bug in their code? (Or about something that isn't a bug -- and having seen the quality of his compiler benchmarks I'd wager that that applies to most of them).

Thanks, but no thanks.

Hey Phoronix!

Posted Nov 12, 2012 13:54 UTC (Mon) by JMB (guest, #74439) [Link]

Well, not just on topic, but an interesting aspect.
Both arguments are valid.
As experienced admin I know how to write bug reports or deal
with big laboratories to get patches/fixes.
Being paid for it is not only nice because you are not annoyed
you have to spend hours looking for familiar problems and than
some to put data together which may give a hint to the problem -
but also for the contracts. Your bug report _will_ be seen and
worked on as money was paid - and saying a site of x00 or even
x000 servers has a problem, you get feedback in hours - and are
obliged to respond in that time. This is nice.
Well, going to other development cicles is another game - you are
a begger - asking politely - and may get answers like "works as
designed" or "I introduced the regression, but the bug is in the
package of another maintainer, so blame him" - and writing rants
is more efficient than bug reporting then. :(
These are two different worlds - and human beings are involved -
many things can be understood if viewed from a little distance.
I am just angry if people and/or their opinions are neglected.
So yes, I understand people reporting bugs in public while not
writing a bug report - and as the non technical people grow in
numbers distributions should think about a way to collect problems
via E-Mail and may deal more efficiently/automatically with upstream.
Otherwise feedback is too expensive for users.
I have 2 things myself to report ... and still haven't done it
(both will not be changed fast if at all as I assume form my
Such work is harder than a hundred comments on LWN. ;-)

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