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Let’s Limit the Effect of Software Patents, Since We Can’t Eliminate Them (Wired)

Let’s Limit the Effect of Software Patents, Since We Can’t Eliminate Them (Wired)

Posted Nov 6, 2012 15:17 UTC (Tue) by Rudd-O (guest, #61155)
In reply to: Let’s Limit the Effect of Software Patents, Since We Can’t Eliminate Them (Wired) by mhw
Parent article: Let’s Limit the Effect of Software Patents, Since We Can’t Eliminate Them (Wired)

Just one more thing:

Groveling the state to end corporations or reform corporations is *never going to work*. The state is the entity that made corporations powerful, privileged, malevolent and sociopathic institutions to begin with.

Groveling the state to end intellectual poverty or reform intellectual poverty is *never going to work*. The state is the entity that made intellectual poverty a tool that corporations use to oppress and abuse you and me.

RMS believes that the "government" can "protect" you and me from these abuses and abusers; he is categorically wrong. Richard is trying to appeal to *the very group of people* who facilitates these abuses. How an otherwise brilliant man like Richard can't get this... frankly escapes me and makes me feel very, very sad. More importantly: His belief in this magical institution as benevolent protector displaces any potential attempts to invent better, more subversive, non-statist solutions to state-created problems. You know, like the GPL once was -- successfully subverting the copyright abuse created by this magical group.

The first step to get rid of the mafia isn't to grovel to them so they stop collecting protection money. It is to stop believing that this money goes into "protecting" anyone but themselves at all.


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Let’s Limit the Effect of Software Patents, Since We Can’t Eliminate Them (Wired)

Posted Nov 6, 2012 17:06 UTC (Tue) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

Groveling the state to end corporations or reform corporations is *never going to work*. The state is the entity that made corporations powerful, privileged, malevolent and sociopathic institutions to begin with.
You're not aware of the existence of anti-trust laws? Reform happens, at intervals. The anti-trust laws in the US and UK are the result of the last big reform effort (or, depending on how you count, the last but one).

Let’s Limit the Effect of Software Patents, Since We Can’t Eliminate Them (Wired)

Posted Nov 6, 2012 21:52 UTC (Tue) by Rudd-O (guest, #61155) [Link]

I'm aware of these magical papers written to allegedly "reform" the existing magical papers. It usually backfires. If you go study antitrust, you'll discover that these magical papers were written to destroy businesses that were doing very well, in order to favor the losers who couldn't compete. And these papers were sold to the public using blatant lies. That is, what you're quoting is nothing but the product of political bribery and corruption defended with lies. IOW, standard statist M.O.

And I just don't have it in me to care about the statist mythology anymore.

Let’s Limit the Effect of Software Patents, Since We Can’t Eliminate Them (Wired)

Posted Nov 6, 2012 18:01 UTC (Tue) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523) [Link]

> Groveling the state to end corporations or reform corporations is *never going to work*. The state is the entity that made corporations powerful, privileged, malevolent and sociopathic institutions to begin with.

And abolishing the state would make corporations donate all their money to charities and start producing rainbows and pink unicorns?

Or may be it would allow corporations to hire militia and instead start murdering people they don't want to live?

Let’s Limit the Effect of Software Patents, Since We Can’t Eliminate Them (Wired)

Posted Nov 6, 2012 21:44 UTC (Tue) by Rudd-O (guest, #61155) [Link]

No and no.

I know you have an existential fear of "what will happen if everyone stops believing in government". I know the source of this existential fear, because I also went to school and I also was told to fear the same thing.

Fact is, it is great business to tell people "if you don't believe in us, people will rape and rob you and your daughter". Especially to children, since they are too young to be able to rationally contest the lies.

If you want to have a serious conversation: you need to (1) set your fears aside, as they will prevent you from rationally deducing valid conclusions (2) set aside your impulse to discredit new ideas (which is obvious in your use of sarcasm).

Now: do you want to have a serious conversation or not? http://imgur.com/DEhIC

Let’s Limit the Effect of Software Patents, Since We Can’t Eliminate Them (Wired)

Posted Nov 6, 2012 21:51 UTC (Tue) by dlang (subscriber, #313) [Link]

Please stop wasting our time and go live someplace else where you can try what you are advocating for a few years.

go find some island (or oil rig), declare it a separate country and try living by your ideals.

Until then, please stop wasting our time.

Let’s Limit the Effect of Software Patents, Since We Can’t Eliminate Them (Wired)

Posted Nov 6, 2012 22:29 UTC (Tue) by Rudd-O (guest, #61155) [Link]

> Please stop wasting our time

If you think I am wasting your time, close the browser window instead of blaming me for your emotions.

I am not really wasting your time, though -- you are deliberately choosing to engage me because of some sort of rage (I assume, from my experience, that you're terrified of my ideas, so your response is rage). The only one wasting his time is you.

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> and go live someplace else where you can try what you are advocating for a few years. [...] go find some island (or oil rig), declare it a separate country and try living by your ideals.

Umm, no thanks.

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> Until then, please stop wasting our time.

Sorry, but you're going to have to learn to deal with me sticking around. To cope better, I suggest you first stop manipulating other people with the "you're wasting my time" meme, because it's a lie.

Or you can continue raging. Or you can go away.

Your problem, not mine.

Let’s Limit the Effect of Software Patents, Since We Can’t Eliminate Them (Wired)

Posted Nov 6, 2012 22:40 UTC (Tue) by dlang (subscriber, #313) [Link]

you are wasting my time in that I have to read enough of the post to figure out it's topic so that I can ignore the rest of it.

Let’s Limit the Effect of Software Patents, Since We Can’t Eliminate Them (Wired)

Posted Nov 6, 2012 22:49 UTC (Tue) by Rudd-O (guest, #61155) [Link]

I reiterate: your problem, not mine. If my existence pisses you off, go beat up your wife/children or do some other similar statist activity to deal with your emotions.

Let’s Limit the Effect of Software Patents, Since We Can’t Eliminate Them (Wired)

Posted Nov 6, 2012 22:54 UTC (Tue) by jake (editor, #205) [Link]

This is just not a "polite, respectful, and informative" comment. Whether you like it or not, the thread has strayed *far* from the topic, which inevitably leads folks to get irritated.

So, please (both of you and anyone else thinking of getting involved) just drop it here. The insults, anger, *and* off-topic posts are all unwelcome.

thanks,

jake

Let’s Limit the Effect of Software Patents, Since We Can’t Eliminate Them (Wired)

Posted Nov 6, 2012 23:07 UTC (Tue) by Rudd-O (guest, #61155) [Link]

Nah. If you want peace and quiet in your site, then go tell the other guy who is hurling verbal abuse and acting out. I'm not guilty of anything you're accusing me by lumping me with this angry person.

Let’s Limit the Effect of Software Patents, Since We Can’t Eliminate Them (Wired)

Posted Nov 7, 2012 14:00 UTC (Wed) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

Um, wow. That's the single most unjustifiably entitled response to an editor's request to stop talking that I have ever seen on LWN. Hint: you just suggested, in the grandparent of this post I'm replying to, that your interlocutor "go beat up your wife/children" and implied that this was something that an opponent of your views would naturally consider, and you have the temerity to claim that this is not impolite, disrespectful and/or uninformative?

I don't know who's coming out best in this subthread -- but I know who's coming out worst. When in hole, stop digging. (And in my experience, on thi site, when an editor tells you to stop, they are right.)

I'm stopping now.

Let’s Limit the Effect of Software Patents, Since We Can’t Eliminate Them (Wired)

Posted Nov 7, 2012 19:12 UTC (Wed) by Rudd-O (guest, #61155) [Link]

I think I am entitled not to be verbally abused and misrepresented by stranger assholes on a forum I enjoy, whenever I am participating in it. I also think I am entitled to respond accordingly when said abusive asshole continues on a pattern of abuse against me and demanding belligerently that I shut up. I am also entitled to tell the moderator of the site that I don't agree with his siding with bullies against me.

This is, contrary to what you seem to think, not only perfectly reasonable but also healthy. And you might try and shame me with your "you're coming out worst" quip, but you mistake me for someone who cares about being shamed.

Let’s Limit the Effect of Software Patents, Since We Can’t Eliminate Them (Wired)

Posted Nov 7, 2012 14:10 UTC (Wed) by nye (guest, #51576) [Link]

>I reiterate: your problem, not mine. If my existence pisses you off, go beat up your wife/children or do some other similar statist activity to deal with your emotions.

From your posts in this thread, it is apparent that you are suffering from paranoid psychosis, and you need to seek professional psychological help.

Let’s Limit the Effect of Software Patents, Since We Can’t Eliminate Them (Wired)

Posted Nov 7, 2012 18:54 UTC (Wed) by Rudd-O (guest, #61155) [Link]

Ah, the "you're crazy" card. All superstitious people resort to it at some point to try and shame anyone who questions their superstitions.

The LWN readership has quite a lot of rational people, but I never knew that hiding among this readership was such a small but dedicated gang of verbal abusers dedicated to manipulate and bully into silence anyone who presents new and "scary" ideas.

Let’s Limit the Effect of Software Patents, Since We Can’t Eliminate Them (Wired)

Posted Nov 8, 2012 12:13 UTC (Thu) by sdalley (subscriber, #18550) [Link]

How cleverly you defend yourself against what would actually help you.

Seriously, get yourself a psychological check-up from a competent professional. It can't hurt, and will quite likely help. If you want to be helped, that is.

Let’s Limit the Effect of Software Patents, Since We Can’t Eliminate Them (Wired)

Posted Nov 7, 2012 8:58 UTC (Wed) by paulj (subscriber, #341) [Link]

Some people don't want to close the browser window, they want to continue enjoying this fine site. Your comments are crap-flooding the Comments/unread page.

LWN does have a kill-file feature, but it's only available to subscribers.

Let’s Limit the Effect of Software Patents, Since We Can’t Eliminate Them (Wired)

Posted Nov 6, 2012 21:53 UTC (Tue) by Rudd-O (guest, #61155) [Link]

Oh, wait, I didn't notice it before: you're the guy who also used mockery, defamation, discrediting, minimization and other manipulative tactics with me earlier.

I rescind the offer to talk about the topic with you. Good bye.


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