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Fedora 18 Beta slips again

Fedora 18 Beta slips again

Posted Nov 1, 2012 23:55 UTC (Thu) by dowdle (subscriber, #659)
In reply to: Fedora 18 Beta slips again by dowdle
Parent article: Fedora 18 Beta slips again

Just to clarify, when I called out Máirín Duffy by name... I wasn't trying to point the finger or say she has done bad work. Quite the contrary. I think she is doing a great job with the design. It is a big task to try to simplify the partitioning and mount-point GUI. I'm also sure the implementation side is very challenging even with the quite competent body of code they had before... trying to make it smart so it does most of the work when asked to do so... yet also getting it to get out of the way when someone wants to manually do it. Monumental challenge it be.

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Fedora 18 Beta slips again

Posted Nov 2, 2012 6:09 UTC (Fri) by wagerrard (guest, #87558) [Link]

Anaconda 18.23, in the net install (, has revised and improved the partitioning segment. On the second screen, after you highlight the drive(s) to be used, there is an option to choose LVM, Plain, or BTRFS. When I selected Plain, and the opted for manual partitioning, it seemed the intent was for me to highlight each existing partition and reuse and/or modify it. I.e., click on and existing /home partition and gain access to a partition editor. That didn't happen in my case because the installer crashed when I clicked on the name of an existing partition.

After filing a bug report, I rebooted and opted for an LVM install, manually reclaiming all the space on the drives. That triggered "Automatic partitioning" and the rest of the install. (The net install is quite fast. I don't know if this was a design intent or just the broadband gods smiling on me, or both, but it's nice.)

LVM installation worked fine. Maybe it's time for me to learn to love LVM.

I didn't see any place in the installer where the drives are identified in traditional fashion as /dev/sda, etc. Regardless, I'm looking for a way to select an individual drive and either edit an existing partition table or create a new one, select Ext4 or whatever, give it a mount point, etc.

I *like* Anaconda's new look and agree 100% that tackling partitioning is a challenge, especially once you go beyond the "everything on a single drive" notion. At that point, I think you just have to assume the user can handle things and offer the traditional interface.

I'm not sure if the flow through is precisely right yet. (Why am I asked for a root password as the partitions are being created and formatted, with that window obscuring things? ) It took a while for me to figure out that I'm meant to click on the icons (duh). That is, as much of the configuration as possible is done for you and presented as something of a fait accompli, so it didn't occur to me that by clicking on, say, the Language icon I could edit that choice.

All these things are inevitable in pre-release when something as significant as the installer is being redesigned. It's looking to be a very nice iteration of Fedora.

Fedora 18 Beta slips again

Posted Nov 2, 2012 17:24 UTC (Fri) by duffy (guest, #31787) [Link]

Hi Dowdle, thank you for the nice comments and feedback - I really appreciate it. Please let me or the folks in #anaconda (freenode) know if you run into any issues you don't see getting addressed. If there are particular scenarios you've tried that aren't working out, that is good feedback - especially if you can help walk us through the scenario. We have been modifying the design as we go in response to user feedback, so it's really helpful to have it keep coming in: we absolutely do listen and take it into account.

At this point in the release cycle it's not really possible for us to make major changes, but once Fedora 18 is out we're planning to conduct a usability study on the interface, as well as comb through the user feedback from the F18 release. We'll plan and make modifications to the design based on that data, so you'll be seeing more blog posts and such asking for that kind of feedback.

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